f22a1 turbo manifold

[ssaccord92]

does any one make a turbo manifold for our cars

if not i was gonna do the dsm manifold with the turbo and the injectors

i already have the stock dsm 440 injectors on my car

also i have f22b2 with a1 head with 3 angle job a4 valves and also the dual stage manifold
removed the butterflies bypass the throttle body and have 272 delta regrind and cm 9lb flywheel with stage one centerforce clutch

gonna upgrade the clutch 2 the dual friction

but my friends gonna sell me his t25 and intercoller for 100 bucks so gonna get that and might look around the gst exhasut mani

boost 92 and r33 accord and others i need ur help
i need boost
i built a hell of a motor for all motor and now just about everybody around here is turbo so gotta play catch up

thanks

[WiKKeDV16]

DSM Manifolds on ebay.. are going maddd cheap...

as for manifolds built for the F.. eh.. prefab kits have em.. but there log style.. and not worth the 200-300 IMO..

just run the dsm..:D

[ssaccord92]

so what year dsm manifold will work for our cars

b/c i checked around for a dsm 98 gst mani and i can get one from the junk yard for about 150bucks

also the will the t25 turbo fit all dsm talons exhast mani

[VRDrvr]

I am almost positive 1g-2g (89 or 90-97 or 98) exhaust manifolds will work, but 100% sure a 1g dsm EM will work. As far as turbos you can go with a 14B (1g manual turbo) 13B (1g auto turbo) and t25 (2g dsm turbo will work). Just depends what kind of spool you're looking for I believe all 3 stock are internally wastegated to 8psi (someone feel free to correct me).

I purchased my t25 with o2 housing for 150 shipped and my 1g EM for 60 shipped. You need to get the manifold redrilled to fit your block and make sure to use a new accord exhaust manifold.

Also while you're pulling parts might as well get some dsm blue top injectors (you don't need the resistor), 1g BOV (2g are plastic) and if you want the SMIC (side mount intercooler) 1g/2g will work fine but will get heat soaked fairly fast :rolleyes: . But you will also have to pick which fuel management system you would like to run as well (hack, standalone etc etc) ;)

cb7-t is the new ish :boink:

[punkrockimport]

You need to get the manifold redrilled to fit your block and make sure to use a new accord exhaust manifold.

do you have to get new holes drilled in the flange or something?

and what do you mean use the new accord exhaust manifold? you use a turbo manifold for turbos and there isn't one made with the accord in mind.

[VRDrvr]

Originally posted by punkrockimport
do you have to get new holes drilled in the flange or something?

and what do you mean use the new accord exhaust manifold? you use a turbo manifold for turbos and there isn't one made with the accord in mind.

Yes, the bolt holes for the dsm manifold won't line up with the f22a studs on the block, therefor the need to get them redrilled is needed.

I was thinking the gasket from the block to the exhaust manifold ;) . And also new turbo gaskets would be recommended (where the turbo bolts to the manifold etc) :D .

[WiKKeDV16]

your sooo becoming a boost whore... damn VR lol..


hit me up man... when you gonna get ur kit installed f00!:boink: :D :boink:

[VRDrvr]

Originally posted by WiKKeDV16
your sooo becoming a boost whore... damn VR lol..


hit me up man... when you gonna get ur kit installed f00!:boink: :D :boink:

I am now a whore of many sorts :boink: . Expect a FULL set of pictures/vids with my new sony p10 :D . I cannot wait, and am expecting 220whp and 240wtq with tuning :shocked: it will be a nice change from 140 at the crank :lol:

[PRIMOCB7]

..these guys make 'em
www.sfp.net ..one of the best ones i've seen so far, and you can keep your a/c, if needed

[ssaccord92]

kinda lost what is a 1g em what does EM stand for engine managment

and if so how can i get it too work for my car

also i already have the injectors on my car running smooth and fine

and would i have to have a boost controller being that that has internally wastegate with 8psi

[VRDrvr]

EM in my abbreviation means exhaust manifold. If you're asking if you need a boost controller for an internally wastegated turbo; you need to research a little more.

I have spent the past 2-3 months of reading articles etc etc and I am not nor others on here going to spoon feed it to you ;) .

[WiKKeDV16]

exactly..

VR.. for ur numbers.. those are pretty frigign high.. how many lbs u plan on pushing..?

i mean if blazenaccord with a very lean condition only made 185whp 195tq at 10psi with a t25.. how do u expect to pull off 220whp. :shocked:

thats 12-14psi right there..best of luck to ya!:boink:

if it blows.. no worries.. just slap in another F :laughy:

[ssaccord92]

JUST WANTED A SIMPLE YES OR NO

BUT IT'S KOOL NEED ALL THE INFO I NEED

WHAT'S UR SETUP HAVE U RAN AT THE TRACK OR HAVE ANY DYNO #'S

[VRDrvr]

Originally posted by WiKKeDV16
exactly..

VR.. for ur numbers.. those are pretty frigign high.. how many lbs u plan on pushing..?

i mean if blazenaccord with a very lean condition only made 185whp 195tq at 10psi with a t25.. how do u expect to pull off 220whp. :shocked:

thats 12-14psi right there..best of luck to ya!:boink:

if it blows.. no worries.. just slap in another F :laughy:

I can't reveal ALL my secrets :D . But these numbers are only guesses/goals going off of what other cb7's and cd5/7's are running pushing close to 200+whp. Similar setups include:
garrett t3/t4 also t25's with 10psi
custom manifold and or dsm manifolds
450 injectors
190lph fuel pump
safc (some ran uberdata or hondata)
FMIC (I am planning on running SMIC :( )

BUT I have a couple secrets up my sleeves to boost power output and throttle response (:shocked: there is a give away :p ).

Look for my post in here in about 1-2 weeks :boink:

and ssaccord92:

I am not trying to be an ass but there really isn't a simple yes or no answer simply because there are too many variables NTM you need to learn how a FI system works. You will understand it better and if something is to break/go wrong you will know what it could be and fix it yourself.

[92accordcoupe]

Just a recommendation for all doing the DSM turbo setup, I would say go for a 14B all the way because that T25 is gonna die off before redline. It's a very weak turbo, which is why a lot of 2G owners use a 14B for an upgrade because it's cheap and far superior to a T25. Using a T25 will still be a vast improvement over NA, but a 14B isn't very expensive and is way better, so just use it. Also, any year DSM manifold will work, but the 2Gs flow a lot better, but also cost more money. Just get a 1G for like $50 or so and port the hell out of it. I own a DSM and when a few things get upgraded on the TSi, I might just have to throw the stock stuff on the Accord 'cause it doesn't look too difficult and I already have all of my fuel system upgraded minus injectors.

[WiKKeDV16]

im dying to know VR....


possibilies...

some form of intercooler spraying
nitrous
water injection...
take your pick...:D

so..what is it!

[VRDrvr]

Originally posted by WiKKeDV16
im dying to know VR....


possibilies...

some form of intercooler spraying
nitrous
water injection...
take your pick...:D

so..what is it!

Its none of those things... you will just have to wait :D

[quadnie]

Well I suppose it's time for me to enter this thread to offer a couple bits of advice.

Turbo charging a car is never as easy as it looks but from all the info I've gathered on the dsm/accord projects and all the people I've talked to they have told me that it isn't that hard. It's possible to just slab a dsm manifold (redrilled) to your f22a1 head and then run your choice of dsm turbo attached to the o2 housing. It is also possible to utilize the stock accord downpipe with a new flange pressed on it. These options of course are presented to you in the most ghettoness of fashion and aren't recommended for the serious setup. There is no substitute for spending the right money for making the right HP but if you just want to have a setup and ride with it then utilizing all dsm parts will work for you.

In response to the person who started this thread I wouldn't recommend using the dsm manifold since you are probably after some serious numbers in the long run. If you did want something that would work for you for a decent price and you did want to keep factory a/c then the dsm setup will work.

Having worked with dsm cars in the past their are a few things that I know that people don't really realize. First off the T25 turbo isn't just a complete piece of shit, that would be the TD04 found on 1g eclipse automatic cars (and some other chrysler products). The T25 can push past the 20psi mark is with the right components can hit the 300hp mark. The 4G63 DOHC cast iron motor (aluminum head) flows decent and pulls nice with the T25. The difference with the 2g and the 1g motors aside from the turbo selections is compression ratio. The 1g 6 bolt motor has a c/r of 7.8:1 and does need the help of the bigger 14b as compared to the 7 bolt 2g which has a c/r of 8.5:1. There is also the factor of crankwalk in owning 2g motor but we won't get into that today.

So to sum a couple things up for you, the 14b would be the better of the two but a T25 will also work and you won't really miss that much towards the redline. The 14b does have a nice sized exhaust wheel (actually one of the best sized ones for a turbo in it's class) but it also has it's down sides. First off you need to realize that any turbo you get will be at least 10 years old and probably in need of a rebuild. Expect to pay around $100 for a functional T25 or 14b.

Another notion that people have forgot is the fact that 1g DSM parts were prone to cracking. They are poorly cast and can't take the porting like 2g components can. This goes for 1g exhaust manfiolds, o2 housings, and exhaust sides on the turbos used. The 2g counterparts flow a little bit better and can take more boring.. somehow the casting greatly improved (I'm no expert in metalurgy so I can't say for certain what went down). You of course need to inspect anything before you buy it, even hairline fractures can lead to something more serious.

DSM cars do offer more turbo selections then just the 14b and T25. One of the earliest 4g63 motors was a SOHC all cast beast found using the 14g turbo. This motor of course was in the popular mitsu starion/conquest. That turbo I believe flowed 20% better in comparison to the 14b but is also hard to get a hold of cause of it's age. I wouldn't even bother going with it since it would most likely have to have a rebuild. There is also the big boy 16g and even 20g turbos. The 16g of course you will find in your latest generation Lancer Evolution (I think it's gen 8) also using the 4g63 motor.

Do what you want guys, but if it was me who was making the DSM parts selection I would find a nice low miles 2g exhaust manifold/o2 housing/T25 in good condition for a good price.

[quadnie]

ahh yes, almost forgot. A boost controller is highly recommended.

Internal wastegates are known to be bitches at times and aren't nearly as reliable as external wastegates (well the expensive external ones that is). I would suggest getting one to reduce turbo lag/wastegate creep (whatever you want to call it).

I have witnessed wastegate creep from a failing actuator on both T25 and 14b setups, a Turbo XL brand is from what I hear is the best and I'm thinking of picking one up soon.

[lowoctane]

and is this all on stock internals???.... i want more details damnit, i can get a hold of t25 setup quite easily!...

[JailBa8]

Wow this is getting interesting more more more :D

[lowoctane]

if this is all on stock....im gonna do this setup...muwahahah...ill git'r done this month....

14b with all 2g components(ported to hell).........:boink:
external wastegate
boost controller
t timer
FMIC, of corse of corse
blue top 450cc injectors
fuel pump
debating on the BOV (rfl maybe).....
s-afc management
etc......

im going today to go look for the setup, YIPPIE!!!.... :D

[quadnie]

When dealing with stock internals it is always recommended to replace them. Fuel/Timing managment is key to keeping any engine alive, it would be quite possible to ride with stock internals if you have management locked down tight.

I would always suggest replacing at least pistons.. while you're at it connecting rods. Sometimes it's cheaper to just pick up another junk yard motor and start over instead of tearing one apart, many people don't have the space or knowledge to rebuild a motor. I'm really never that serious about any car to go all out on special forged pistons.. maybe my next v8 build for the most part I really don't care since I don't race.

[oneoffaccord]

Originally posted by ssaccord92
does any one make a turbo manifold for our cars

if not i was gonna do the dsm manifold with the turbo and the injectors

i already have the stock dsm 440 injectors on my car

also i have f22b2 with a1 head with 3 angle job a4 valves and also the dual stage manifold
removed the butterflies bypass the throttle body and have 272 delta regrind and cm 9lb flywheel with stage one centerforce clutch

gonna upgrade the clutch 2 the dual friction

but my friends gonna sell me his t25 and intercoller for 100 bucks so gonna get that and might look around the gst exhasut mani

boost 92 and r33 accord and others i need ur help
i need boost
i built a hell of a motor for all motor and now just about everybody around here is turbo so gotta play catch up

thanks I GOT A TURBO MANIFOLD. I go the manifold offa h23 whcich are th same pattern. anyway i just go the h23 and he gave me extra things along wiht the motor. i might think about sellin it. HOLLA BACK ASAP

[nonsteezy]

got pics of the manifold? how much?

[oneoffaccord]

Originally posted by nonsteezy
got pics of the manifold? how much? ill try to get pics, i'll try to see how much. i might want to keep it?

[ssaccord92]

quadnie

THANKS FOR ALL THE INFO

I DO HAVE A A1 COMPLETE ENGINE AND i'm gonna do a complete rebuild with it starting with the bottom end but i'm gonna get the T25 and intecoller for 100 bucks and the 2gmani for 150

and the rest manual boost controller and all

i need to get msd ignition to light up the spark and fuel pump then i'll install the turbo and all

anymore info u have i'm gratefull

and i do my own work and very good at it that's y i needed the info on that

that's the only think i was concerned about was the internally wategated turbos and how acurate they were

[oneoffaccord]

Originally posted by ssaccord92
quadnie

THANKS FOR ALL THE INFO

I DO HAVE A A1 COMPLETE ENGINE AND i'm gonna do a complete rebuild with it starting with the bottom end but i'm gonna get the T25 and intecoller for 100 bucks and the 2gmani for 150

and the rest manual boost controller and all

i need to get msd ignition to light up the spark and fuel pump then i'll install the turbo and all

anymore info u have i'm gratefull

and i do my own work and very good at it that's y i needed the info on that

that's the only think i was concerned about was the internally wategated turbos and how acurate they were what you can do it go to turbonetcis or drags website and get all the parts for ur ride. the h23 manifold is the same as the f22. check on overboost.com turbo stuff there. go to yahoo and type in drag turbo kits, you might find useful t hings there. i found the whole kit piece by peice. so it aint that hard to peice shit together. holla back

[quadnie]

Originally posted by ssaccord92
quadnie

THANKS FOR ALL THE INFO

I DO HAVE A A1 COMPLETE ENGINE AND i'm gonna do a complete rebuild with it starting with the bottom end but i'm gonna get the T25 and intecoller for 100 bucks and the 2gmani for 150

and the rest manual boost controller and all

i need to get msd ignition to light up the spark and fuel pump then i'll install the turbo and all

anymore info u have i'm gratefull

and i do my own work and very good at it that's y i needed the info on that

that's the only think i was concerned about was the internally wategated turbos and how acurate they were

No problem. This is about the only forum I come back to anymore so just email me and I can join in a topic (that is of course if auto-email notification doesn't get to me first).

I have found that internal wastegates can be tricky, especially DSM ones. I'm having some really 'piss-me-off' issues with the '97 GST now where it just won't pull.. it's just plain embarassing to lose in to a VW GTI. I am hoping that a good expensive boost controller will take away that wastegate creep and also provide proper function of the actuator (since I know that's the part that's fucking up). I do not know if there is a decent aftermarket wastegate actuator company that would make a suitable replacement for interally gated turbos.. that might be something worth me checking into.

Like I said earlier on wasgegates, the high dollar external ones are the things that give you granule control over your setup, the cheap immitation ones are maybe a half a step above many factory ones. No way would I go for internal wastegates on a twin turbo setup, the readings would be so inaccurate and play hell on the motor.

Let me know what else you would like to discuss.

[quadnie]

Originally posted by oneoffaccord
what you can do it go to turbonetcis or drags website and get all the parts for ur ride. the h23 manifold is the same as the f22. check on overboost.com turbo stuff there. go to yahoo and type in drag turbo kits, you might find useful t hings there. i found the whole kit piece by peice. so it aint that hard to peice shit together. holla back

Aside from a custom made equal length manifold made from weld-els I don't think I would mess with any other manifold aside from the stock DSM 2g units. Definately not worth the effort for a cast drag manifold or a custom log manifold.

Just my opinion.

[Swifty1638]

I got my 1g dsm manifold for 20 bucks today...It's got a lil hair crack in it, but for 20 bucks, I can't complain. The guy I bought it from jsut boosted his accord, wit the h22, and his mani has like 6 cracks! the cracks aren't super bad. They will jsut not flow quite as well, and rob a fraction of power. Also, they may be a little louder, but that's with a larger crack..

-A. Swift