for all of you with H22 swaps

[h22sparkle]

You guys should get the S.M.S.P header it give s you some reallly good gains when it comes to Horepower. The cons of it is it costs $1,200 bucks and it takes 3 months for it to be complete shipped to you and everything.You can get some skunk2 stage2 camshafts,skunk2camgears,and you have to upgrade the valvetrain, with valvesprings and retainers,skunk2 manifold,and maybe a throttlebody. Its also good to get a custom 2.5inch exhaust with a vafc which is on the way now and some good tuning should get you there . :boink:

[h22wagon]

does this meen you have one on order? if so post some pics when you get them. and dyno sheets when you tune.

[h22wagon]

that is if you have the time

[BustedLX]

That's allot of money your talking about there. If you spent all that you'd be better off with a Hondata. Why sell yourself short with a V-AFC.

[h22sparkle]

hondata just too much money i rather have the afc to hold it down i just like the way it looks it must be that blue screen. and as for the smsp header call up dave stadilus at smsp products and hell give you some good dyno numbers imma get his number for you latero n hopefully during the day.

[h22sparkle]

its really $860 for the skunk2 stage 2 camshafts,$300 for the intake manifold,$300 for both skunk2 camgears,$130 for the retainers,$210 for the vavlesprings,1,200 for the smsp header its wwell worth it though,and $235 for the Apexi vafc and 350 for the buildup how long should all this stuff on the install for all of it???????:D and that estimate is prolly like $3,000 whewww man this game aint cheap:nono: :shocked: :idiots: but the WHP earned and torque:boink:

[h22sparkle]

I know you can go turbo But i had like three horror stories with nitrous and i dont even wanna see what turbo can do too much maintenance. I rather make more power considerably and still smile about it.

[BustedLX]

A V-AFC installed will run yo uabout $350 + Tunning. A Hondata s100 will run you about $325 installed plus tuning.

I found a Hondata s200 for $250 shipped new in the box with a P28 ECU and I found a shop here in Miami that just opened that will tune it on the Dyno for $80 an hour. Most it will take is two hours which beats the price of $300 first day I received from SFP.

The V-AFC is no competetion for a standalone engine management. Esspecially a competetivly priced one.

[acch22]

Damn!:shocked: If your willing (from what i can tell), to shell out 1200 for a header, then hondata for 250-350 shouldn't be that bad. And your estimate actually came out to $3,585. How much of a gain can those headers actually get you. Shit, for 1200 those headers better bolt themselves on, compliment me when ever I open the hood and give meMAJORpower gains!!!

[BustedLX]

Originally posted by fizzbob7
but all motor setups require just as much maintenance....most n20 setups are more complicated and gaudy than are turbo setups.....all turbos do is force air in, and you fix it so that the air/fuel mixture is right....no big secret to how it works....they're way easier to take care of than people make it seem.....problems come from people cutting corners and doing things that they should be paying others to do......it's way less complicated than swapping cams, cam gears, headwork, bolt on this, bolt on that, etc........
Amen.

[h22sparkle]

the headers give you some very good gains ask fizzbob he knows about the smsp headers believe me they are well worth the wait if you have vtec. You have deals down there in miami well it sucks down here but i rather pay since i have money to burn.

[h22sparkle]

but yeah thats true and all but have you ever thought about it in the long run. Turbos yes more money more speed oh yeah but one day boom better stay on top of your tuning game more problems with turbo hope you have deep pockets cause turbos dont let you escape that easily:nono: allmototr youll feel the heat but not as much as a turbo.

Oh yeah one more thing turbos and allmotor hmmm I say it like this you have a person put on your turbo and put it on right, now ask yourself this you get motor work on your car which one you think they are gonna repair first no questions asked allmotor or turbo.


You can have the turbo on and go boost crazy around the corner and blow it up and be like my cars blown up around the corner:lol: then they speedshop will be like sorry man dont know what to tell ya shit is no fuckin good mang cant call it:( . while allmotor theyll be like bring it back well fix it. With a turbo im not knockin it but i rather have less headaches.:boink:

[acch22]

Screw it, if you have the cash then you can hual ass all you want. :tu:

[BustedLX]

Originally posted by h22sparkle
but yeah thats true and all but have you ever thought about it in the long run. Turbos yes more money more speed oh yeah but one day boom better stay on top of your tuning game more problems with turbo hope you have deep pockets cause turbos dont let you escape that easily:nono: allmototr youll feel the heat but not as much as a turbo.

Oh yeah one more thing turbos and allmotor hmmm I say it like this you have a person put on your turbo and put it on right, now ask yourself this you get motor work on your car which one you think they are gonna repair first no questions asked allmotor or turbo.


You can have the turbo on and go boost crazy around the corner and blow it up and be like my cars blown up around the corner:lol: then they speedshop will be like sorry man dont know what to tell ya shit is no fuckin good mang cant call it:( . while allmotor theyll be like bring it back well fix it. With a turbo im not knockin it but i rather have less headaches.:boink:
If an all motor engine blows it will be as much if not more then if a Turbo engine blows. Reason being most people will boost an engine on stock internals where all-motor are running built engines.

Look at what happened to H22Girl. Fully built H22A head with some real expensive quality parts similar to what you mentioned above but with Ferrea valves. Because of either poor tuning, poor build, or just old engine the damn thing blew. Crank or rod bearings on a piston went and smashed four of her very expensive valves.

Now what? What do you think will be cheaper to rebuild? The stock configuration or the super duper pricey head?

The reason turbo setups fail is the one reason I keep preaching, TUNING!!! It's just like the common misconception in car audio, Wattage doesn't blow speakers, distortion blows speakers.

A properly tuned, built, and maintain engine will last you a very long time.

Now if a shop in your area doesn't know how to work on it, don't take it there. I mean that's common sense right. But any mechanic that is a MECHANIC will know how to fix an engine weather it's in a Honda or a Mercedes, turbo or supercharged, if he's a mechanic and not a parts changer he should be able to fix it. The problem we have is that to many people are calling themselves mechanics now a days and they are mostly just parts changers.

[h22sparkle]

I didnt say in my area im sayin in general it can be in your area or anywhere at all. Now as for puttin stuff in like ferrara puttin in pricey shit dont get me wrong but im not gonna take it all out like that . But look at it like this she brung the parts for them to tune they tuned it and handed it off to her on the other hand if it blew up they should be able to fix it but for a turbo thats even more damage right there the reliability bro its about reliability in the long run. Forget about the pricey head I say the hell with it aight tell you what you get your turbo and ill stay allmotor well see who comes up askin which one breaks down firts ill let you choose youll be here more than me like no my turbo whyyyyyyy noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo:cry:

[BustedLX]

Originally posted by h22sparkle
I didnt say in my area im sayin in general it can be in your area or anywhere at all. Now as for puttin stuff in like ferrara puttin in pricey shit dont get me wrong but im not gonna take it all out like that . But look at it like this she brung the parts for them to tune they tuned it and handed it off to her on the other hand if it blew up they should be able to fix it but for a turbo thats even more damage right there the reliability bro its about reliability in the long run. Forget about the pricey head I say the hell with it aight tell you what you get your turbo and ill stay allmotor well see who comes up askin which one breaks down firts ill let you choose youll be here more than me like no my turbo whyyyyyyy noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo:cry:
Maybe in your experiance that's what's happened but that's not the case in my situation. We could keep going back and forth about it all night.

Simple fact is a well tuned factory engine can hold boost for it's entire life span without critcal failure. As with any configuration. If you understood forced induction you would know that.

Going all motor is an admirable thing. More expensive but admirable. So I wish you luck, I'll keep my rear view clean so I can get a good look at the front of your car ;)

When I break I don't cry, I get faster. Ask everyone that knows the BustedLX in person http://www.josebellas.com/images/mysmilies/evil.gif

[h22sparkle]

yeah thats real funny and cool and all. But keep the rear view clean when your shit blows up and loose compression ill be flyin right by you like hmm need some help ill help you out now you can stay in my rearview.

[h22sparkle]

you can keep your turbo ive been there and done that oh yeah good luck the thieves will be keeping a eye on your car too that nice intercooler in your grill bro. Or that nice blowoff valve oh simply marvelous,yup better hope your tuner doesnt get lazy and be sure to have some deep pockets just incase you may need another longblock. Or better yet go to the races and get pulled over by a cop i wanna see those tickets when he gives it to you mischief to engine that one ticket, noise muffler thats 2 tickets and so on and so on and so on. with all motor you dont have to worry about that . Theives and cops bro thieves and cops. Gotta love those insurance rates

[BustedLX]

Originally posted by h22sparkle
you can keep your turbo ive been there and done that oh yeah good luck the thieves will be keeping a eye on your car too that nice intercooler in your grill bro. Or that nice blowoff valve oh simply marvelous,yup better hope your tuner doesnt get lazy and be sure to have some deep pockets just incase you may need another longblock. Or better yet go to the races and get pulled over by a cop i wanna see those tickets when he gives it to you mischief to engine that one ticket, noise muffler thats 2 tickets and so on and so on and so on. with all motor you dont have to worry about that . Theives and cops bro thieves and cops. Gotta love those insurance rates
lol you seem to be getting upset.

What do you think I'm a child or something?

My car runs at the track not the street so I don't worry about tickets.

My exhaust is nice and deep and in case you didn't know cars with Turbo's are quieter then all motor cars because the turbo's exhaust turbine helps quiet the exhaust.

I have means "in case" something goes wrong.

Tuners don't get lazy because they are paid to do there job right, plus I'm not a retard so I can read the graph and know if what he is doing is correct.

My BOV is an HKS SSQV and in case you've ever heard it you'd know it's not a super loud noticable BOV, It doesn't even sound like an ordinary BOV.

My intercooler will be nicely done and not call attention to itself.

My security is a Viper 500+ with back-up battery, back-up battery siren, glass breakage sensor, all entry points protected, ECU power disable, Lo-Jack (instaling it next week), and a Blue HKS USP .40 compact. So if they get this car, they deserve it.

And after all is said and done I still do all my own work on my car, know what I am doing and will put my peice of shit against any car on this board hands down. If I lose I lose but I will give you one hell of a run for your money.

This isn't a toy I've got here. It's one bad ass bitch on her period so don't rub her the wrong way.

Thank you come again ;)

[HondaFan81]

Originally posted by h22sparkle
I didnt say in my area im sayin in general it can be in your area or anywhere at all. Now as for puttin stuff in like ferrara puttin in pricey shit dont get me wrong but im not gonna take it all out like that . But look at it like this she brung the parts for them to tune they tuned it and handed it off to her on the other hand if it blew up they should be able to fix it but for a turbo thats even more damage right there the reliability bro its about reliability in the long run. Forget about the pricey head I say the hell with it aight tell you what you get your turbo and ill stay allmotor well see who comes up askin which one breaks down firts ill let you choose youll be here more than me like no my turbo whyyyyyyy noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo:cry:

there's another side you're not considering Sparkle...Fizzbob will be doing his own work on his turbo setup & therefore will know EXACTLY how it was setup. You it seesms, are having some shop do the work for you, which all depends on the guy who works on your car, how good is he, does he cut corners, forgets things, in a rush to bang his wife...who knows man. My point is regardless if you're going turbo or NA....it all comes down to who does the work & how good that guy is & pays attention to details. If I were doing any work for any person & they wanted me to cut corners I would tell them hey....ur car won't last long if you don't do this now or near future... I don't agree & let me know I will not be responsible if he f**ks his shit up

[acch22]

Originally posted by BustedLX
and a Blue HKS USP .40 compact. ;)

:tu: :tu: :nod: :nod: :bang:

[h22sparkle]

it doesnt matter I cant do the same thing with a turbo I choose not too both side are fucked up Im making money I really dont feel like wasting it back on the car. I want a little bit of sport and style not anykind of turbo problems. Granted I love the power ive been with people who had turbo cars im talkin real hp not no 500 im talkin 797whp in a supra.


Thats alot of power right there 1000 and up whp is whillin out. BUt comon for like 300 and some extra its not really gonna be for the street. And if whoever is gonna run it on the track do you all im sayin is if you drive it everyday your gonna run into problems you can with allmotor but not just a turbo is gonna mess up believe me.


And when it does its a helluva lot critical to the block than the allmotor plans i want. Sure that intercooler wont get you noticed perhaps stolen take a hint from me and listen well spray paint that shit black and keep it well hidden and call it a day. yeah and almost forgot the turbo boost creep gotta love it or turbo spike did you tell everyone about that ? Yeah not to mention why would I need to slap on a turbo to say yeah im fast then have it give me a shitload of headaches in the end you plan to keep your car long.

Just make sure you stay above your tuning skills and both should have no problems . And just slappin on a turbo on a cb7 especially with a prelude motor hahahahahaha your kidding right if you want real power i want to do not 4 not 7psi and that may be a pain im lookin to do 15-20 without the bullshit. But with h22's resleeving it is a necessity unless your gonna keep your f22:( correct:( :D

[h22sparkle]

incorrect see thats how much you know about allmotor yeah youll get more power than me but 9x outta ten youll have alot more problems and no 250hp wont get you into the magazine where the fuck did you hear that from? I dont think so bro. I say lets see how long you can compress that air into that stock engine without rebuilding it i wanna see this shit and see how long your car lasts. Also painting it black wont make you lose hp I have yet to see that on a dyno as many times as my boy has done his car. And you dont even have to wait for fuckin spool-up time thats why i say allmotor is better. Noone's being immature calm that down son we just have different views on shit thats all I say tomatta, you say tomatta I say potata you say patata:D

[h22sparkle]

I was once like you yeah I wanna get a turbo, I wanna get a turbo. To me its not worth it besides i can get the turbo right now if i wanted too but I choose not to reason being im not going for 250 and up which is really bullshit on my part cause im only looking for 200 whp or more with reliability. Lemme know when you shit blows up ill order a free long long block for you not to worry.:boink:

[h22sparkle]

same here i wanna race you some day mototr to motor and see what you got ill give you a run for your dough in NYC having a turbo with a hot car will get stolen.

[h22sparkle]

I know right people are always watchin dont you just hate fuckin thieves bro. NOw sometimes and i say this more often than not even towtruck drivers are on that shit nowadays.

[h22sparkle]

yeah your right with the zero mods thing thats funny they probably scared that the car will break down with them tryin to steal and get away with it gettin chased by yhe owner :lol: