zdyne ECU better, cheaper then hondata??

[blazen_accord]

http://www.zdyne.com/

I stumple upon this link It has FULLY PROGRAMMABLE ECU similar to a hondata, but much cheaper in price. DOn't know if it as good as a hondata, but the Silver Super ECU for $595 and give factory equiped turbo ECU programing. BUt the Gold package allow user programable from a laptop for $950

DOn't how about if this is right for high boost people, but for low boost 5-10psi guy like me, this will replace my SAFC, FMU, missing like, map black box, MSD BTU, and alot more. Dyno with an A/F ratio and tunning SAFC session cost from $240-$300 per hours, and I still get shitty gas/millage and rough idle and lag until I go WOT or above 3000RPM. DAme the stock ECU program can take so much external signal hack....

BUt If I can tell this company what my current setup is and to be able to boost 8-10psi just by plug-in their silver SECU and idle and run like a factory tune turbo, since it a dailey driving car, 80miles back/from work cost alot of gas money especially I can only gas 93octane.

What R your thought on this product? compare to hondata feature and price :) I'm awaiting their email to see if they can set up an SECU for my turbo F22A.

[ZigenBallZ]

Originally posted by fizzbob7
they don't work on our cars......

and you know this how? Firsthand experience with Zdyne? Or are you saying that because you read the applications on some site somewhere??

In theory...if it is just like Hondata...ex:a piggyback and not a true standalone.....depending on the ECU...if it works with OB1 Honda ECU's it could be made to work with any other OBD1 setup...

Some minor mods might have to be made like KS, etc...

[ZigenBallZ]

Originally posted by fizzbob7
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So you have no actual Zdyne experience at all? Correct?

and that's from where? Zdyne's site?

Like I said... in theory... it should work on any OBD1 honda if the 92-95 civic & 94-95 teg ECU's are supported... The only problem would be F22turbo specific maps...which are def. out there...should work in theory...


Where do you think your P28 comes from fizzbob?
but hey since you're digging up stufff from there site...are they including the P13? Or is it a hondata-type P28/P72 w/H22 maps affair?

[ZigenBallZ]

Originally posted by fizzbob7
nope, never owned a zdyne ECU......never will.......their site is there to help anwer what would be considered FAQ.....there are much better options to buying a "plug and play" ecu that needs to be modded to work.....if i buy something that is supposed to work as is, then i don't wanna have to modify it to work.....that severely defeats the purpose......get a different ecu with stage 2 hondata w/boost.......seen them go for the same price as the zdyne and they actually DO work

I don't know about the proposed features of the OBD1 Zdyne setup.. but rather than pay $200 for every little feature w/ the Hondata... the Zdyne might be a better deal...if it has FTL, FTS, datalogging, tunability... which those features alone will dump an additional $200-800 on top of the base hondata system and don't forget that they charge ridiculous prices for already setup ECU's...

and a hondata system also needs to be modified to work properly...unless you are paying someone to do all the work fizzbob...:D
otherwise what's the point of getting a hondata system in the first place if you want a simple plug and play and forget item... You'd be wasting the system...

If that's what you want then stick with a chipped P28/06/75...
Which in essence is the same exact thing as a Hondata system...

unless of course you don't mind spending an assload of money...that you could be spending on other things...

[ZigenBallZ]

Originally posted by fizzbob7
you're not answering his main question though....

"BUt If I can tell this company what my current setup is and to be able to boost 8-10psi just by plug-in their silver SECU and idle and run like a factory tune turbo, since it a dailey driving car, 80miles back/from work cost alot of gas money especially I can only gas 93octane. "


will he be able to buy the secu and plug it in and then all will be well.......the answer is simply NO.......he seems to already understand that hondata requires tuning......but he seems to be under the impression that simply hooking this up in place of what he has might simplify things......it WILL NOT do those things for him with a turbo f22.......sure he could MAKE it work, but it's up to him whether he wants to go that long, expensive, tedious route....


Well honestly you can't just plug in a Hondata system, even with the F22 boost basemap and expect it to run perfectly either...
They are basically the same system...both will need immediate tuning for an engine specific ROM...Hondata is going to end up being just as expensive...unless you go with a budget version w/ no self tunability and you are at the mercy of your Hondata tuner's prices...

If you just want to be right so badly...that's cool...Hondata might be slightly less of a headache up front but in the long run it's all expensive...

Except the self chipping route.... I bet I have less into my setup than what you spent on that chipped P28 fizzbob...and I have full tuneability... and am getting into datalogging...For less than the shipping costed on your P28...and for what you'll pay to get the Hondata system...I'll have wideband capability....for actual street tuning which is better for driveability than dyno tuning alone...

If you were serious about engine management and were stepping up to this level I'd bypass Hondata & similar systems altogether and just go AEM EMS...

[ZigenBallZ]

Originally posted by fizzbob7
i'll be damned....we agree on something....aem ems is superior to all....

hold on...you spoke too soon...

I wouldn't go that far...

I just said that instead of dropping similar amounts into a Hondata or Zdyne set up I'd get the AEM EMS...


and I'm not argueing just to argue now..... honestly...I just don't think the EMS is superior to ALL...


superior to Hondata? in a heartbeat...

[BustedLX]

Another engine management pissing contest? lol these are the best.

I beleive Zdyne only Currently supports OBD-0 applications. I'm not sure if they have released their OBD-1 compatible engine management yet but I haven't looked into Zdyne in awhile so it is possible.

NoScreenName, I don't know what you are using for engine management but I can fully tune my P28, plus I can add datalogging, as well as allot of usefull and cool features fairly inexpensivly to my P28. Much of the information is available on the pgmfi forum.

Fizzbob, AEM EMS suppior to all?... No. But a damn good option... yes. The features that it can provide you with are excellent and for the money there is none better. Plus the most beautiful part is they make it easy for everyone. You don't need to have soldering skills, coding knowledge, or expensive equipment in order to make it do what you want.

It has amazing abilities and one unbeatable value (for most). But if you have the money there are still systems out there that are extremely impressive (electroMotive, Motec, etc.).

[blazen_accord]

Oh well sound to good to be true, I have not got an reply from them yet, look like I will need to get a chiped ECU for my setup, better then running the stock ECU and cost less.

BustedLX, fizzbob7 any luck burning me a chip bro?? Would my stock ECU do or I have to get another ECU and send it to you guy??

Thanks

[kentucky accord]

just get an Autronic and be done w/ it.

[HondaFan81]

Originally posted by fizzbob7
i'm wanting to learn to burn chips and all the other little complicated shit that goes along with it....i think bustedLX and noscreenname are capable......

same here, just haven't researched it completely just yet...not that far in the process, but NoScreenName is and is working on it.

[BustedLX]

I've never worked on the 1990-1993 Accord ECU, There aren't any roms for it with the exception of the GUDE rom Gimpy dumped and there are no editors that can work with that rom. Since I don't know how to read the raw binary I can't directly edit the roms I need to use editors. I'm slowly learning but it's hard when you have so much stuff going on.

But when I do I'll write my own script so I can edit them in Crome.

[HondaFan81]

all I know is if I really want to dedicate some time & lots of reading & talking to peeps I could save myself like $300+ if i program the P06 ECU myself to run my F22a1 NA setup properly with some dyno time.

it's a matter of whether I have this time & can figure it all out. I'll find out when I get to that point...it'll be one of my last tasks of this whole project

[blazen_accord]

bustedLX and noscreenname ,

IT seem that P28 and P72 are most popular for chiping. would a P28 ecu work better then the P72 on my turbo accord? I don't need Vtec, and IAB. plus it an auto tranny

would you guys be able to burn rom or chip the p28 ECU for my turbo accord? I just need an ecu that can handle boost and have timming/ignition set for boost. speed limiter be removed. and rev limiter set to 6800RPM, and 370cc injector

Let me know if you guy can do this for me, I would paid for your service, would you also have an extra p72 or P28?? If not I can buy one from ebay. PM me with prices, I really want to get this, but don't want to spend an fortune on an hondata on a car that make less then 200hp