what's the potential of an f22?

[arrozburner]

i was wondering what type of potential an f22 has in the performance area? i was planning on going with the obvious h22 swap and turbo charge it. but i was wondering what the potential of an f22 is? with the money i save from purchasing the h22 i could buy another f22 and work on it until the one i have now gives out on me. with the cash i save, i could do more things to the engine like bore it out...how much can i bore it? could i get good hp, i mean, its my daily driver so i dont want to get too crazy...only in the 200 hp area :D also, lets say i bore it out a bit and turbo charge it, would it be a good idea to swap in an h22 tranny for the better gears or stick with the f22?

[chessboxer]

im not an expert in this field, but im guessing everyone is gonna say just swap it for an h22. If memory serves me correctly, it starts with the 200 hp youre looking for, and the aftermarket for it is bigger. And its easier to squeeze out the desired power youre looking for. As for boring and turboing, i know nada. Theres lots of experts here though, and im sure someone with knowledge greater than my own will answer your preguntas satisfactorily.

[WiKKeDV16]

well since ur asking about the F22
anything has potential.. that tall tale saying sticks true
how fast you wanna go? how much money u have to spend
a complete h22a swap cost about 4k a shop installing it.
with that 4k you could make the f22 just as quick as the h22a+
of course with the use of force induction but none the less just as quick or quicker
i mean even just normal bolt ons and nitrous can get u H22a power.
intake=170ish
header=300ish
exhaust good ish=450
nitrous kit running 50shot=500
2 step colder ngks=12bucks?
nitrous cam=100
total=about 2,000 and u have a car that is just as quick as a h22a or just about seeing as how the tranny is longer.
then there is the other route.

turbo..

im not going to get into detail on which routes u can go with an F series its already been said but for about the money of the swap u can run a low 5-7psi boost kit on ur accord.
rule of thumb is nice as well
for every lb of boost u have 5-10hp 10hp being with good tuning
so ur looking at around 25hp-35hp untuned to 50hp-70hp tuned
doesnt sound like much does it but think about it
140hp stock flywheel hp from a f22a6
add 50hp its at 190hp flywheel
and about 150-60whp which is about what the h22a makes
not to mention more torque..
bah
so many ways u could go
u can also do a cheap swap
f22jdm dohc, f22b dohc non vtec,f20a,h23a
u have alot of options.
if u wanna go wiht the premade kits
u should check out

turbo kits for cb7 (http://www.turbo-kits.com/accord_turbo_kits.html)

[arrozburner]

Originally posted by chessboxer
im not an expert in this field, but im guessing everyone is gonna say just swap it for an h22. If memory serves me correctly, it starts with the 200 hp youre looking for, and the aftermarket for it is bigger. And its easier to squeeze out the desired power youre looking for. As for boring and turboing, i know nada. Theres lots of experts here though, and im sure someone with knowledge greater than my own will answer your preguntas satisfactorily.

holy snaps! is this another hispanic guy on here? not to be racist or anything, but i thought the majoity of peeps on here were either white or filipino...que pasa compadre como estas y de donde eres?

[arrozburner]

thanks for the info, like i said i know i could go with the h22 but instead of plucking down 2200 for the h22 i could use 300 to get another f22 and have 1900 to build it up...what i was thinking is boring it out a bit and adding forged pistons and rods so that it could handle higher boost levels...the thing is i dont know how much i could bore it out and if its a good idea to go with the h22 tranny once i do this or stick with the f22...either one, im still going to make it stronger plus i think the h22 tranny's have lsd...what about the f22's?

[theone]

sounds good to me ;)

also theres some black folks here to :p

;)

but yeah, i see it like this, any one of the motors can be made to go,

only difference it the hp from stock (thats the huge difference)

like im building my f22 motor and right now im making pretty good power with it, but if i did the same thing to a h22, it would be better, just look at like that, the h22 always gona have 70 more hp (i think) then the f22, u can make ur f22 faster then a h22, but if u take the h22 and do the same thing with it, its still gona be faster over all.

but goin the h22 route u have to look at how much u may have to spend to get it and get it working right

u basically save bout 3-4000bux keeping ur f22 and building that but u still will always not have that extra 70hp u would have if u choose to go h22.

me i cant afford the h22, so i have to make do's with my f22 ;)

[chessboxer]

Originally posted by arrozburner
holy snaps! is this another hispanic guy on here? not to be racist or anything, but i thought the majoity of peeps on here were either white or filipino...que pasa compadre como estas y de donde eres?
nada. estoy bueno y soy de indiana, pero yo vivo en kentucky.
nah man, im as white as they come, but i speak a little spanish and a little german. Took 5 years off spanish through high school/middle school and 2 german in high school and 2 german in college. Some people say i look like i have a little hispanic influence in me though, and i might, im not really sure. So, lo siento for bursting your bubble, pero no soy de mexico. My spanish is pretty sloppy probably so i appologize if i sound like an idiot.

[acch22]

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[arrozburner]

does anyone know how much i could bore out an f22? or is it just a good idea to do a port and polish and leave the bore the same?

[Swifty1638]

I dunno why, but I kinda hope to stick wit my f22a6..lots of potential, instead of following everyone, and their mother's uncle on teh h22 swap. The f22 is just as good. I plan on sticking a f22b1 sohc head on there, since no one tells me the h23 dohc head will work (someone wanna help? I wanna bore the f22a6 throttle manifold, and stroke the motor to a 2.6 liters..it can be done..read the sport compact car mag..i forget the issue, but a guy did do it. a twin turbo setup perhaps? I dunno, but this motor has got potential, and I would not be following everyone else..my style is unique..that is what wins in my books..

-A. Swift

ps. I love the h22..nothin wrong wit that..jsut trying to be different..

[xScott]

well considering that the f22 has iron sleevs... quite a bit. im going all motor f22 vtec. sure its not as cost effective as an h22, but whatever, i dont care.

[arrozburner]

hmmm i could stroke it (he he he) up to 2.6...didnt know that...if you could find the article then that would be great, i would have to get a whole new stroker kit but hey, i was planning on upgrading the internals either way. just imagine the possibilities, a 2.6 f22 turbocharged:boink: i want more info on this subject please

[HondaFan81]

There are a few of us on here pursuing the F22's potential, but there are more going the H22 route. So you have the best of both worlds to talk to. Just keep your eyes open & you'll notice who's pursuing what. The member's ride section will get you going on who & what.

BTW I'm Dominican, Spanish, Chileno mix. There's a few hispanos 'round here & a few that just plain understand some Spanish.

lata

[MRX]

hey guys, new to the forum but not to the car. My name is antoine and i'm building an f22 along with the rest/half of you. It wasn't my first option but when i found an upgraded turbo kit for under $1650 i couldn't pass it up and after months of pain staking interneting i found all the ingredients needed to do a bottom end build up...btw to run more than about 7 psi on a daily driver u should not only upgrade the pistons and rods but sleeve the block also which i've seen is good to about 22 psi. Ugh...i have alot to say but i'll try to keep it short, the h22 is very powerful but when u try to upgrade the internals u'll run into a problem, the sleeves are FRM (i think thats what its called) not iron like the f22's, which means putting forged pistons into the block will RIP the sleeves apart so u HAVE to unsleeve then resleeve the block. Search for a prelude forum and find out urself if u don't believe me. Also on boring the f22 most shops won't bore more and 1.5mm i believe which would leave u with a 86.5 bore diameter. There isn't enough metal to go any further and going any further could easily cause ur block to crack and explode...and i don't mean piston through the hood explode i mean schrapnel exploding and endangering lives. Sleeving the block with a different tougher metal is much better and WILL allow u to overbore the block much past the 86.5mm. Arrozburner, with 1900 u won't get to far...u'll need around $2000 for the bottom end another $2000 for a complete head job, and then god knows how much for bolt-ons. I've seen good f22's out there like one that had intake, exhaust, cam gear, act clutch and a 75 shot of the good stuff...he ran a 14.5. H23 heads can in fact fit on an f22, i just have to find the thread, the only real tricky part is deciding which head gasket to use because of the h23's bigger bore. Thats all i can remember right now cause i just completely forgot what this thread is about...please remind me and i'll post again lol. And happy holidays all

[HondaFan81]

I think what attracted me about building up my F22 instead of doing H22 swap is, I was to get more involved & get some engine rebuilding experience, instead of just swapping a motor (not that it's easy). Just want to get my hands more dirty I guess & learn for future projects.

[arrozburner]

the biggest argument i here from people going with the h22 is that you start off with a higher horsepower to begin with comapred to lets say the f22...but thats at a 11:1 compression ratio. i want to go the boost way so im going to have to lower this to a more boost friendly 9:1 so how much hp am i going to lose with the lower compression?

[MRX]

don't look at it as how much hp ur going to lose by lowering the compression ratio look at it as how less likely will detonation occur at full boost. And another way to consider it is sure u'll be lowering the c.r. but at around 3k rpm there'll be alot more compression in the cylinders than at idle...basically the c.r. raises a bit in a turbo charged engine, although i'm not sure how much or how to measure it but when the vtec from the h22 kicks in that should also alter the c.r. among many other things.

[HondaFan81]

if you were to sleeve the H22, you could keep almost the stock CR, but drop it down to 9.5 or 10:1 and turbo it like 7 psi and get good power off the get go , all the way up the scale. Quick response

I'd wonder if a high-volume oil pump would be needed to lubricate this setup? I'd look into that & see if stock Honda engine seals can handle it the oil pressure...that's been a question of mine I don't know the answer too.


then you'd need LSD fo sho to hook that shit up & good tires

[arrozburner]

here's another questions...i know ive read somewhere on this site that there really is no point to swapping a sohc vtec head from a 5th gen on our cb7...not much hp gain...but i was wondering if it would be a good idea for me to do this since im planning on going the turbo way...you know, for fuel economy and stuff like that? would there be other benefits to getting a sohc vtec head?

[MRX]

For economy i'm not sure, for praticality i'd say no because vtec changes the valve timing to stay open longer during high rpm. Forced induction setups such as a turbo don't need the valves to stay open longer to fill the combustion chamber with air/fuel. It would make it difficult to tune is all and would require a great deal more dyno time to get perfectly correct. I do know, however, that it definately can be done. I've heard of sohc vtec setups that cause steering problems a little bit down the track because the vtec kicks in so hard the car losses traction. So it CAN be done but if ur just looking for better gas mileage i'd say no...The turbo being in the way of the exhaust system will benefit ur gas mileage anyways as long as u daily drive below about 3K rpm. I think the real question is where are u going to find a turbo exhaust manifold for either of those heads. Cause if ur not buying a kit they are hella hard to find

[PRIMOCB7]

there is plenty of potential in the F22A series motor. i used to run a F22A6 with full headwork done to it..i don't have time slips coz this was almost 3 years ago, but it was consistent low 14's with good tuning. unfortunately, i let my stubborness get the best of me. for years i drove around with the passenger fender lining half torn through rain, snow, etc...anyway, i had the aem cai when it first came out, and never had a problem. finally, spring 2002, its raining hard and i didn't see the deep water on the GCP(grand central pkwy)and BOOM!!!! :( goodbye F22A6
so 'arrozburner', if u decide to build ur F series motor, pm me or email, i'll let u know exactly what i did.. good luck.

[MRX]

primocb7...still got that head?

[PRIMOCB7]

sorry, got rid of the motor when i did the swap. the head was no good anyway coz the valvetrain warped up and seized. what have u done so far?

[MRX]

just intake and grounding wires so far, but i'm looking at a t3/t04e turbo right now...no seriously its in my hand :p. I'll make a thread about my soon to be spooled CB7...hmm...spooledcb7...sounds like my new aim name !:D

[Fearit22]

I already have most of my stuff planned out, but it still wouldn't hurt to hear about it from someone who has been there. How about you just post what all you had up here so others can read it too?