Girl & Limited clothing discussion

[Raf99]

I wasn't sure if I wanted to post my thoughts on this topic online or where to post it. I'm sure this thread will not express my real true feelings on the topic either. But I do want to talk about it, so here it goes. I must also apologize in advance if this offends anyone. If you agree or disagree please just state your opinion calmly and respectfully.

Topic:
Girls & how they dress, what they wear, and WTF & where are we going with it?

Yes, this discussion is around the clothes girls wear these days and what is the limit. It's also more about respect. Respect for themselves, men, and the general public too. Personally...... I am a man. I do have hormones. There are certain things that turn a guy on. Back in the day it was the usual things. Wet white t-shirts, short skirts, hot chicks, and several other things in there depending on the guy. Girls were girls, hookers were hookers, and in between were a wide range of different styles and likes. I personally grew up in the Nirvana age where girls mainly hid their sexuality and a guy respected a girl. One wore long sleeved shirts under short sleeved shirts. Sure there were "slutty" girls and other types of girls but there was a line drawn between how a hooker dressed and how a normal average girl dressed.

Fast forward to today and I have to be honest that I really don't want to go to a bar, in public, anymore. Sure I expect to see bikinis at the beach and summer wear on a beautiful summer day. But to be blunt, I don't want to be "c*ck teased" everywhere I go!! And this is what it feels like to me these days. I know the clothes manufactures have always used the "sex sells" campaign for decades but I didn't think everyone would fall for it like we have now (and I do put a lot of the blame on the clothes manufactures, but also the girls who keep buying them just to "fit in"). I thought it would be the minority who wore these clothes. Some great examples:

- I seen a teenage girl yesterday at the grocery store wearing a mini skirt with leggings and a see thru tank top and a pink bra. I think she was 16 and she was with her mother. She was dressed like a japanese online stripper.
- I had to buy a birthday gift for my 9 year old niece. I thought it would be nice to buy her shorts for summer and some shirts. My g/f and I were shocked to see that the whole clothing section for kids her age/size was PINK! I had a hard time finding shorts where the pockets were lower than the crotch. AND SHE IS 9! Yet the posters on the walls of kids playing showed no-one wearing any of the clothes on the racks.
- The magazine isle at the grocery check outs have magazines in eye level of kids/teens of half naked women with titles like "10 Sex moves that you need to know!" or "Be famous with your bikini body with these exercises". Always 3/4 naked women on the covers, photoshoped, etc. Why the stores allow this still baffles me. Even playboy magazines are low key these days.
- Girls try to "out-slut" each other or wear little clothing. The amount of times I've gone to malls/stores with my g/f, just to have the girl worker bend over so we can see her bellybutton down her shirt is crazy.
- I seen a teenage asian girl at the mall with a bra on and a white button up shirt. But she had about 5-6 buttons un-buttoned so you could see her bra. I was shocked to see her walking around the mall like this. Her friends were just as bad, wearing home-made jean shorts that were very very very short!
- Spandex anyone??
- Gym girls ??

There are schools everyone where girls are fighting for the right to wear whatever they want. Short shorts, short skirts, small tank tops. Of course they see no issues with this and "guys should control themselves". They are in for a reality check if they think high school guys can "control themselves" when a girls is wearing a short skirt bending over, etc.

Now, don't get me wrong, I love boobs & ass as much as the average guy! I'm definitely more sexually active than the average guy! And I expect to see this stuff in public depending on where you go (hooters, bars, etc.) But........... I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT EVERYWHERE I GO!! And this is what bothers me! I took my g/f out to eat for her bday the other week, we both dressed up very professional (dress shirt, tie, etc.) It was very very distracting to have the waitress boobs almost fall out of her blouse as she bend over to put silverware on the table. Just wasn't something I wanted to see at that moment. It really took away from out special moment and we both felt awkward. We went to The Keg too, but felt like we were at hooters.
And I think only girls say "Men should be able to control themselves!" BS. That's like a man saying "pregnancy is easy". They have no clue what feelings get turned on automatically. Like when you were in grade 9 and your johnson woke up on his own in class ("I'll take the zero" < Eddy Murphy quote). It is a natural thing.

For me being older now (in my 30's), I will be honest and say that I avoid public. It is simply improper for me to check out a girl in a short skirt that the wind blew up and I can see her g-string, just to realize when she turns around that she is 17. Or the "down the shirt" view you see too often, etc. I feel like digging my eyes out with a spoon, I feel like I did the wrong thing by looking! The other point here too is that I feel its disrespecting men. It's saying "i'm going to use sexuality to my advantage because you are a man and cannot resist looking". And i think there are many cases where the overload of this exposure can drive some men crazy or cause them to cross the line. This would be the line of "she said no, but her body said yes", or "she was dressed for sex", etc, etc. These cases end up in court and rape charges applied. In the end the lesson learned is that a girl can wear whatever she wants and a guy should simply turn off his emotions. Of course I don't agree with this at all, but I also agree that rape is wrong (obviously).

On the other side of the table this applies to older girls too. At my work place its older women trying to do the same thing. It's short skirts, it's very loose tops, push-up bra, nipple city, hooters outfit, or bras and shirts sooo tight you can't help but look. It's "what can I wear that will get me attention but not get me fired". And we all have the one girl in the office who is hot (I will admit), but uses this to her advantage to get what she wants through means of dressing/teasing/etc. Another girl in my office always wears loose shirts, or a button up shirt with the top three buttons un-done, and you can always see her bra depending on the angle.


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Now if you are still reading, we all must agree that there are women out there who don't play this game. They dress respectfully, they don't show off cleavage, if they wear a loose shirt they hold it while they bend over. Some are even really cute/hot but don't want the attention mentioned above. There is a girl in my office who is super-model hot!!! Beyond hot! I would pay any amount of money to spend 30min with her in the bedroom! BUT....... she never wears provocative clothing. If she has a loose shirt, then she wears a light scarf. Her dress pants are loose and comfortable and not so tight that you can see her underwear. Her breasts are huge, but she wears shirts that fit properly. If she is cold and/or has nipples she puts a jacket/sweater on. People respect her for this and it shows.

This whole discussion reminds me of a documentary I seen about high school kids and how addicted they are to FB now (I think someone posted it on here). How the number of likes you get for a photo dictates how popular you are. And how the one 13 year old girl hires a guy to come in with a camera to shoot photos of her. In the video she was wearing and posing in provocative ways knowing these would get her more likes. I thought it was so sad to see this. Obviously the likes are from guys and ......... it's the wrong kind of attention.


Anyone care to share their thoughts on this?

[af_1132]

Wow, yes!

Well, to start, the clothing industry, magazine industry, social media networking industry, and even the porn industry are a big part of the problem these days. You can't argue with the fact that sex sells, and it is infiltrating the first three of these four industries due to the power of the fourth. The fourth is "leaking" out into mainstream society slowly in many ways beyond the internet. I've heard that porn conventions such as AVN and Exxotica have completely nude reporter girls on the arrival carpet, what?

We've all seen the Dove commercials trying to expose some of the hypocrisy in advertising, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. When a young girl sees those advertisements promoting sexuality and perfect bodies everywhere she goes, and she is looking for true acceptance that she has not properly received at home, she will go for it due to what she witnesses in her social circles. Most of those that say "control yourself, boy, I'm wearing this for me..." could be playing hard to get or at war with other girls. In either case, or all other cases, it is about getting attention and drawing attention to the self. Here are the types of attention that I see being craved:

1. The obvious relational/sexual attention from the desired relational/sexual partner.

2. Attention from an authority figure (i.e. parents, counselor, teacher, etc.) that will answer the "cry for help" and try to minister to the troubled heart. This, of course, is seldom admitted and often completely misunderstood by the young, or even mature woman.

3. Attention from the media force, as in a popularity contest. Again, this is all about attention for the purpose of self-worth, but in a competition sense, and this is growing due to the exponential growth in social media.

I HATE it, I hate it all! As I get closer to my wedding day, I am trying to purge my mind of the power this sexual stuff has, and it's almost impossible when you see it everywhere, as in the ways you described. It is sickening to see the power this has over the young girls. And yet, we see those who are really attractive to us behaving and dressing modestly, as if to leave that for their spouse at home, in private, completely and intentionally out of the public eye. That gives me hope that there will always be modest men and women, and I will continue to surround myself with them in my circles of friends, and as much as I can in the workplace.

To be truthful, I only see this problem getting worse with time, due to the power of money in the aforementioned industries and the gravitation of sex in our hyper-sexualized cultures. It is, in my belief, an evil that ensnares by design. It is a part of the age-old war of evil versus good on this Earth. I could go on and on about that, but I won't.

We don not have to be ensnared though, as we are not powerless to avoid this stuff. We can avoid the places we know it resides and the places we have seen women make these clothing choices, we can "bounce our eyes" and learn to do so by habit (it...is...HARD to do, but possible). There are plenty of places you won't find this stuff, but it does take sacrifice on our part to say "no" to looking and going places where it is found. If it troubles your heart enough, then you will begin to take that kind of action.

I'm curious to see what others have to say on this topic.

[sonikaccord]

Sorry, this is the first thing that came to mind.

So I guess I would be in the younger generation. I'm married, I've lived in the city, I've seen all of it, it doesn't bother me any more, I just accept it and move on. I don't have the power to change people.

Time to play devil's advocate. (Flame suit on.)
I'm going to start with the kids and teens. They are kids!! They don't know anything, they are just following trends like normal kids would do. Honestly, it's best that they get it out of their system while they are young because they may start to rebel when they get older. Then it will be a serious problem. College freshman free from their parents control? That's what guys look for.

Now the parents should instill within the girls (esp teens) what this type of dressing will attract and what it means so that they understand what they are wearing and how it affects men and women.

Now when it comes to adults, they can wear whatever they want...they are grown...they should already know the deal. If the clothes fit her body type, great! If not, well she has some work to do. If they have nothing else to bring to the table but looks, by all means, accentuate your strong points ladies.

And to throw a wrench in this, there are sluts/whores/prostitutes who actually dress and act professionally. Then there are faithful women that dress like <insert appropriate term>. How it affects you is on you and you alone.

[Raf99]

I LOL at the south park picture. So true. How ironic now that "whores", aka "on the street whores" actually dress normal and girls dress like whores. haha.

Easy to blame the parents for letting their kids dress like this, but I see mothers who dress like this, and the daughter following suite. And then the cycle never ends. We truly have came to some form of idiocracy.

I do remember my university ways and I still thought the same thing then. It's just getting worse where we see girls younger and younger doing things 18-19 year old bar girls would do like... g-strings and whore clothes. That worries me.

[gloryaccordy]

Where do u live Raf, I want to visit.

I dont really see it here in Charlotte, but I know it's a problem. I do see it though, especially on college campuses.

[Raf99]

Where do u live Raf, I want to visit.

I dont really see it here in Charlotte, but I know it's a problem. I do see it though, especially on college campuses.

Eastern Canada, I imagine this issue is worse in the US. Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[sonikaccord]

It's really bad here in Atlanta. If you were to go to the mall, don't look at anybody unless they have gray hair and wrinkles. Most of these 16 year olds are jail bait waiting to happen.

[Grumpys93]

this discussion reminded me of this cartoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om4AE5El9oE

[H311RA151N]

I personally grew up in the Nirvana age where girls mainly hid their sexuality and a guy respected a girl.

Your a bit older than me but I vaguely remember those days. I was super young about the time Nirvana was in their prime but being born in '90 I still consider myself to have "grown up in the 90's". Even then, it was a different time and I feel so lucky to have lived in those days and to be able to have so many memories from those years.

As for what all you hit on (which is quite a lot I might add) all I can say is I completely agree. Completely.

Something I will contribute to the conversation is I had a very short and somewhat unrelated discussion with a stranger not long ago. His name was Dewayne, late 50's, black male, very large stature about 6'3" I would guess and a biker who rode a newer Harley. Different kinda guy which prompted me to want to get to know him. We were talking at the bar just him and I and he made a brief comment about something I cannot even recall. Oh yeah, it was about "cat houses" he was saying how they had what he referred to as cat houses back in the day where I guess women would dance and such and still be fully dressed although be dressed "sexy". And he said and I quote "That is what turns me on. Yeah a strip club where the women are topless is a good time too but it doesn't do it for me like the cat houses used to." For some reason I thought to myself as I thought about the scenario he painted before me "you know, that does sound more appealing to me."

My point is the crap you mentioned is everywhere and it is exactly how you said it is. So much that I myself and others evidently as well find a woman fully clothed more attractive than a naked woman. Maybe that's normal and maybe it isn't. Maybe it's because women are so exposed today or maybe I'm way off. Who knows. I won't add my opinions in this thread but I will say understand exactly what you mean.

As for avoiding being in public. I'm right there with you. So many more reasons for this but a fact is a fact jack. It's just unpleasant to be out in society anymore. I know "lighten up your hating on your generation" and all that bullshit. But one cannot deny how fucked up shit is already and is getting to be. These times are not hunky-fuckin'-dory. If you think it is where the hell have you been the last few years. The world sucks and it's shitty. I don't keep up with everything anymore because 20 mins of news is overwhelming. I feel like I'm about to have a panic attack after watching an airing of my local 5:00 news. The clothing thing is one of the things that's like WTF. It's there in plain sight. Hell, everywhere. We all notice it, I don't hear many good comments yet... it's still there so we must be supporting it somehow. Idk. I'm just a hillbilly in the woods with a tin foil hat. And that's where I'll go back to. Good topic Raf99.

[CyborgGT]

I live between two college towns (have lived in both) so I see a lot of it, in girls from pre-teen to around 50. Anyone younger than about 22 is just kinda gross in my eyes. I have a pretty good resistance to it all though (like "peer pressure"... I just turned 27 and despite friends doing these things around me every now and then I've never been drunk or smoked so much as a cigarette, it just never appealed to me). Girls that dress like they're trying to get attention aren't attractive to me on any level. Yeah they're great to look at, but I'm a 'serious relationship' kind of person, and I just can't take those kinds of women seriously. I can't imagine myself doing anything with them but sex... and I'd never in a million years pay for sex, so why would I want a woman in a whore's uniform, as Dave Chappelle put it? I guess it's a strength that I'm great with eye contact, and otherwise good a looking and not letting them know I'm giving them any attention, lol. Working in a grocery store, I've noticed women come through an empty isle a second time (it's obvious they're not looking at what's on the shelf this time) because I completely ignore them when they're facing my direction, haha! The ones that get my honest attention dress attractively, but in a mature way. There is definitely such a thing as mature sexuality. Even age-wise, I've always preferred women that are older than me.

One thing I find fucking hilarious though, is seeing one of these sexy girls walk by, then watching the women around her. The expressions on their faces: priceless. If anything, it looks like women are trying to out-do each other more than they are trying to attract guys.

[deevergote]

I only read the first post. I'll read more later, and contribute more. I'm about to go for a run with the girlfriend.

I do totally agree, though. I grew up in the "Nirvana age" myself, and honestly, the conservative style of that era was far more appealing to me. I totally agree that there's a certain degree of guilt to be felt when you notice today's sluttily dressed girls, mainly because feminism and such is a majorly hot topic. Basically, women should be allowed to dress however they want, but they should not receive unwanted attention for it. That's fine when you consider something such as rape, which is never ok, even if "the clothes say yes." It may be an unfair tease, but it never makes it ok. Regardless, if a girl wears a shirt that shows most of her boobs, why should a man be made to feel guilty for looking?

Another thing that wasn't mentioned in the first post (maybe in further posts... but I'm going to say it here...) I notice that almost EVERY girl wears skin-tight pants. Tights, leggings, whatever you call them... They leave absolutely nothing to the imagination. Even the "good girls" seem to be wearing these things!
My girlfriend wears tight workout clothes... but only when working out. Such things have a place, and that place isn't at the mall or in the classroom!

I saw a girl today wearing denim shorts so short that you could see the pockets hanging down beyond them, and a shirt that showed half her middle. Just walking down the street.

In bars, clubs, on the beach, and wherever girls might go to pick up guys... I get it. That's the purpose of dressing sexy. Waitresses and bartenders, when they can get away with it, I can understand to a point... as cute flirty girls showing a little skin often results in higher tips. But it seems that sexy clothes have become an everyday style. Today, it seems like the average teenage girl rolls out of bed, takes off her Victoria's Secret PJs, and slips on clothes that cover as little skin as the law allows. Then they go to school, hang with friends at the mall, or "play" outside (do kids still play? I played outside until I was 19, dammit!)

[Raf99]

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One thing I find fucking hilarious though, is seeing one of these sexy girls walk by, then watching the women around her. The expressions on their faces: priceless. If anything, it looks like women are trying to out-do each other more than they are trying to attract guys.

It's funny you say this. I once read a magazine that said one fact. Girls don't dress like this for guys, they dress like this for girls. So far every girl i've asked agrees with this. They may be trying to get a guys attention but they are only doing it to get more of his attention than the other girls get.

[cb7 calling]

If you consider what anyone chooses to wear a problem you could move to the middle east, women cant even show their faces. Is that respect?

I can respect a person regardless of their appearance.

Saturday I heard a lady call a girl a slut to her husband. The girl was wearing a fairly nice summer style sort of dressed up outfit. She happened to be very curvy and attractive and out with her boyfriend. I could see the exact same clothes on a different girl looking completely pedestrian. I like the way the fashion is going and i'm glad I don't have kids.

Edit* Same day I heard the slut comment about 10 minutes before I saw the literally biggest movable object of a woman riding an electric chair thingy down the sidewalk. All her clothes where tight with nothing left to the imagination and a completely different emotion is struck by her appearance. It's an eye of the beholder type of thing usually.

[deevergote]

I think it's more of an issue of self-respect than it is what others think of them.

I do agree that the media glamorizes sex, and sexy outfits are what the girls want... because it's what everything seems to be telling them is what they need to wear to be attractive.


Let's take the "dressing sexy for attention" thing a step further. Instead of girls wearing clothing that is too tight, short, or otherwise revealing... let's look at girls that wear/remove sexy clothing for a living. Let's look at strippers.
Now, we've all heard of the girls that are "stripping their way through college". While I'm sure those girls exist, they are the minority. A number of girls I went to school with became strippers. I've talked to strippers. I've considered them on a psychological level (since I went to school for psychology.)
Many strippers, regardless of their reasons for doing what they do, lose something by doing what they do. Self-respect, absolutely. But even more than that. They are skewed by living in a world that focuses only on sexuality. A world that tells them that their body, and what they are willing to do with it, is directly proportional to their worth. Their negative self-image, immersion in the sex culture, and interactions with men (and women) that see them only as "strippers" will ultimately change the core of who they are as a person. There may be exceptions, of course... but very few.


Granted, a girl that feels the need to wear overly-provocative clothing isn't a stripper, and probably won't ever become a stripper... but the fact that they are dressing in a way that clearly highlights their sexuality, that shows it off to the world... displays similar behavior. A similar thought process, leading to a similar emotional decline. Not as drastic, maybe, and probably not as quickly... but damage can still be done.

Now, that's not to say sexy clothing is always bad. Certainly not. There are times when it can be fun, even appropriate. There are times where current fashion may dictate a lower neckline, open back, or shorter skirt than is "proper", and that's ok.
The issue lies primarily with the girls that dress scandalously ALL THE TIME. Rather than occasionally wearing something to show off, those girls are trying to project an image of who they are. Or at least how they want to be seen.


To address the idea that the porn industry is influencing everyday society... I was going to argue this at first, for a few reasons. 1) the porn industry is nothing new, and pretty much peaked in the 90s. Today's porn stars aren't what yesterday's porn stars were. They're not long-lasting, and they aren't remembered and revered as they once were. And 2) porn is still a subculture. People that want to look like porn stars usually ARE porn stars, or somehow immersed in sex culture in some way.
However, in thinking of my argument, I realized that "porn" has become something different with the advent of the internet. Sure, there are still plenty of professionally produced pornographic films, magazines, and websites... but there is an alarming amount of "amateur" content as well. In fact, "sexting" has become a major issue among underage teenagers... an issue that parents, schools, and authorities are having a very difficult time keeping under control. The number of nude images one can find on the internet with the briefest, vaguest search (even unintentionall) is staggering. Women, more so than men. That goes beyond the clothing choices... but it does say something about the attitudes of the girls. They take those pictures and usually send them to their boyfriends... because they want to impress and delight their boyfriends with images of their naked body. Because something, somewhere, told them that it's normal... and that it's the appropriate thing to do. It's not "porn", but the massive amount of provocative nude imagery found on the internet (that young boys most certainly discover at a tender age, regardless of attempted parental control) makes it expected behavior. And that's a problem.

Sorry, this is the first thing that came to mind.

So I guess I would be in the younger generation. I'm married, I've lived in the city, I've seen all of it, it doesn't bother me any more, I just accept it and move on. I don't have the power to change people.

Time to play devil's advocate. (Flame suit on.)
I'm going to start with the kids and teens. They are kids!! They don't know anything, they are just following trends like normal kids would do. Honestly, it's best that they get it out of their system while they are young because they may start to rebel when they get older. Then it will be a serious problem. College freshman free from their parents control? That's what guys look for.

Now the parents should instill within the girls (esp teens) what this type of dressing will attract and what it means so that they understand what they are wearing and how it affects men and women.

Now when it comes to adults, they can wear whatever they want...they are grown...they should already know the deal. If the clothes fit her body type, great! If not, well she has some work to do. If they have nothing else to bring to the table but looks, by all means, accentuate your strong points ladies.

And to throw a wrench in this, there are sluts/whores/prostitutes who actually dress and act professionally. Then there are faithful women that dress like <insert appropriate term>. How it affects you is on you and you alone.

You do make some good points, though I feel they're better perceived in more of a gray area, rather than the black and white that this conversation currently is.
I don't disagree that parents that are too strict will find themselves with a rebellious teenager on their hands, beyond their control (if not before they move out of the house, certainly when they get to college!) However, it might be better to permit, say, a pair of tight jeans... but to forbid the short shorts that show a bit of asscheek. The proper role of a parent is to teach their child to respect themselves, and to respect others.

As for adults, women that dress overly sexy are sending a message... and rarely is it a good message. Sure, they can do whatever they want, but there are times when those things can go so far as to make others uncomfortable. Is it MY fault that I get a little squirmy when I'm in public with my mom or my girlfriend, and I'm confronted with a large breasted woman in a tank top and no bra... on a chilly day? Such attire is not appropriate in our society today. By exercising her "freedom to do whatever she wants", she is effectively making ME uncomfortable.
People should be free to do as they wish within the limits of the laws and mores of their society. Beyond that, their choices should not interfere with the lives of others. When someone's rebellious actions make someone else's life more difficult, even in a small way, the action should be reconsidered.

Also, if you believe your looks are all that you have to bring to the table... that's already a sadly skewed self image. Nobody is completely lacking in intelligence, personality, or talent. Not all three, at least. If a girl feels she has nothing more to offer than an attractive body in revealing clothing, she's likely been convinced of this by the endless deluge of "sex sells" media.



Also, to touch on one thing that was hinted at... the idea that overly provocative clothing can inspire sexual violence, or relatively non-violent, but equally unwanted sexual attention.
Now, I know there's a BIG stink going on lately about "victim blaming", and how a woman should never be sexually assaulted, regardless of what she's wearing, what she's doing, or where she's going. And that's absolutely true. However, it is not the reality.
Sexual predators aren't always just guys in dark alleys waiting to pounce on a woman walking alone. Sexual predators can be found in bars and clubs... and they may not even have the intention of committing any sort of sex crime. They may be there for a good time, or to meet someone special. They may lack the social skills to communicate effectively with women, which may lead to frustration. Frustration can lead to rash behavior.
If a frustratingly sexually awkward man is at a bar, and he sees a woman "dressed like a slut", he might think she is open to his advances. She may be flirty and friendly, dancing and accepting free drinks... but when she puts on the brakes, she may find herself in an unavoidable situation.
Her fault? Not entirely. Not even mostly, as the wrongdoing was clearly on the man's part. However, the provocative clothing worn by the woman for the purpose of drawing sexual attention is what caught the predator's eye. It exuded an air of "I'm showing you most of me because I want to show you all of me". It may not have been her intent... or perhaps she thought it would only attract the truly desirable men (who were probably all drooling over the shy looking, modestly dressed girl in the corner...)
Regardless, if you dress for attention, you're going to get attention... and it's not all going to be positive.

I like to use crossing the street as an example... if you walk across the street at night, not using a crosswalk, not crossing at a well-lit point, and while wearing dark clothing... a motorist that hits you is still at fault. They shouldn't hit a pedestrian, and they should be aware of "hidden" pedestrians. However, your actions and clothing DID contribute to the unpleasant outcome.

[CyborgGT]

I had a woman come in Sunday night with the biggest friggin' chest I've ever seen on a woman of normal "healthy" weight. Like, they were almost as big as her head. Had to be fake. Big boobs really don't do it for me, but even though her dress was definitely accenting her curves, it wasn't at all revealing (not overly tight, no cleavage, bottom was closer to the knees than her butt) so she actually looked pretty nice.

Tonight, however, there was a woman... extremely beautiful, face and body. But, that cleavage cut in this girl's relatively looser-fitting dress was showing off a shit ton. She could have pulled off a classy dress amazingly well, but instead is walking around like a slut, imo. Guess what? Another gorgeous girl, probably a couple years younger, more plainly dressed (and more attractive for it), was checking her out. Slut's boyfriend, meanwhile, one of those gym types but a bit more fatty, looked like he'd been sitting around the house all day, wtf?

Anyone else agree that a woman looks more attractive the more comfortable she looks? Like, there will be girls in real loose-fitting sweat pants and a t-shirt (not in a lazy/slobbish way either; I see this all the time when they're just coming into the store for something quick), but the woman's still obviously very beautiful. It's almost like huge confidence without the arrogance in a way... I don't know, just does it for me