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Old 12-10-2017, 11:04 AM   #21
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So I have a new topic of discussion for my fellow vets (and those who are not feel free to chime in also). What are your thoughts on "stolen valor"?

Personally I believe that it should not fall under the 1st amendment as it is not really conveying speech an opinion so much as it is a tool for those that do it to garner financial and or social status. Barring the cases where a mentally ill person is wearing a uniform as part of their fantasy land I think it should be illegal.

As I have seen cases in real life and a myriad of them online I can reasonably assess that MOST people who actively identify as veterans by wearing a service uniform in public are doing so to gain something for themselves, be it a discount or admiration from the public.

I don't get caught up in the "my brothers died wearing that uniform" frenzy but I have had brothers die in uniform and I understand it may anger some. What gets me a little ticked is that most of the people I know and served with do not use their status as a discount card or even as a reference on job applications( aside from those that are getting into the same field as they were in the military),we are humble for the most part. I see that those who fake service are out and about usually trying to obtain benefits and courtesies extended to veterans for their own gain and this to me makes us look like beggers.

There are already enough people on street corners holding signs panhandling for change, I hate seeing what look to be healthy well dressed people claiming to be vets doing the same. I read somewhere that like over a million people claiming to be Vietnam vets never even served let alone during the Vietnam era and I'm starting to see this now with the younger generation.

Anyways, I'm curious as to ya'lls thoughts but please lets keep the conversation civil.
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:09 PM   #22
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Old 10-18-2018, 01:04 PM   #23
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No service for me, but I do feel it’s shameful to wear the uniform if you haven’t served. Regardless of personal opinion, I think there are two important facts: 1) receiving anything of monetary value due to a false claim of service is theft. 2) The uniform is government-issue. Wearing it without it actually having been issued officially should be akin to impersonating a police officer.

My dad was in the national guard during the tail end of Vietnam. He wasn’t shy about admitting to joining so he didn’t get drafted for combat duty. Even so, he was nearly deployed anyway. He never saw combat. Never left American soil. He was still technically a Vietnam war veteran. He never claimed to be such, though. Never sought any benefits. Never once wore any part of a uniform in my presence.


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Old 10-19-2018, 05:24 AM   #24
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:13 AM   #25
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U.S. Navy here

Been in almost 9 years, picked up E-6 back in November of last year.

Current job is C-130T Flight Engineer. I sit behind the pilots and manage the plane while they fly. Though they are ultimately in charge of the plane, I am the one who tells them it's good to go and know every nook and cranny about the plane. I also smack them on the back of the head if they mess something up.

Before this I was a Flight Engineer on the P-3C Orion, loved this job as well. Pretty much did the same thing on that plane as I do now. Only difference is the mission, in P-3s we chased drug runners, performed recon, and search and rescue. Now we transport cargo and "essential" personnel to "essential" places.

I've deployed all over the world,

OEF 2012/2013 with P-3

I'm putting my officer package in around December hoping to be a NFO on F-18, but we shall see.

I have a thread in media section that i need to update.
Totally forgot this thread. So I put my package in back in December. I got picked up on the January board for NFO and went to Officer Candidate School in New Port Rhode Island Mar-Jun 18.

I am now a commissioned Officer and am currently in Pensacola going through flight school. My dream is to still be an NFO in an F-18. Hopefully I can keep my scores up and get that dream job.
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:49 AM   #26
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Congratulations on getting into flight school! Getting into flight school is an accomplishment in and of itself. I live in the area and used to work at NASP and NAS Whiting Field, so worked a lot with flight students. It can be tough at times, so ask for help if/when needed. Hope you get to enjoy yourself while you're here, too. While it's unusually hot for this time of year, it's still the most beautiful time of the year for us.



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Totally forgot this thread. So I put my package in back in December. I got picked up on the January board for NFO and went to Officer Candidate School in New Port Rhode Island Mar-Jun 18.

I am not a commissioned Officer and am currently in Pensacola going through flight school. My dream is to still be an NFO in an F-18. Hopefully I can keep my scores up and get that dream job.
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Old 10-19-2018, 06:27 PM   #27
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