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Old 12-04-2017, 08:35 PM   #661
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And people think that Honda's have no torque...it's time to shut them up.
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:21 PM   #662
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Those runners look great! SBS Performance always does really good work.
I didn't know about them until I received this manifold but it sure if beautiful. Elvis know's how to do some good work for sure!

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And people think that Honda's have no torque...it's time to shut them up.
So true, although I think Gary already proved the point that Honda's can make some torque. I'm just trying to expand off of what he has provided to our community. If I could get over 200 ft/lb of torque I'd be one hell of a happy man.
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Old 12-15-2017, 03:10 PM   #663
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Alright guys, so I've been doing a lot of reading on all of the obstacles that I'm going to run into putting the full F23A1 into the car. I think I've already come up with solutions to the majority of my problems. The biggest being the fuel rail. As it's not compatible with the F22B1 rail it's pretty much a one off. I'm going to buy this to see if it will work.

I've also been doing some math, which I borrowed from Gary's MRT page.

VE= volumetric efficiency (95 for most street hondas)
DL= displacement in liters
DC3= displacement in cc
PTR= peak torque rpm
SQRT= square root
^(2)= squared= the number times itself

(Intake Plenum Size)= .6-1.3 x (DL) on n/a and 1.5-2 x (DL) on turbo. larger plenums offer more hp and torque potential but smaller offers better response. its your preference.
(Ideal Total Runner Length)= (84,000)/(PTR)
(Ideal Runner Diameter in mm)= ((SQRT [((PTR)x(DL)x(VE))/3330])x.1) x (25.4)
(Ideal Throttle Body Size in mm)= (SQRT [ ((154.2)x(# of cyl)x(stroke in inches)x(redline rpm)x((bore in inches)^(2))/67,547])x1.15
(Ideal Intake Tube Diameter)= 1.15 x throttle body size

F23 Build
Peak Torque: 5000rpm (Up for change as I don't know the cam specs currently.)
Redline: 7500rpm
Bore: 87mm or 3.425"
Stroke: 97mm or 3.818"
Cylinders: 4
Displacement: 2306cc
Aspiration: Natural

My Ideal Plenum is: .6 x 2.306 = 1.3836L - 2.9978L (Unsure of what my ported ones current volume is)
My Ideal Runner Length is: 84,000/5000 = 16.8" (Ported intake manifold runners are 8.5" while the cylinder head is another 3.25" resulting in a total of 11.75" runner length.)
My Ideal Runner Diameter is: ((SQRT [((5000)x(2.3)x(95))/3300])x.1) x (25.4) = 46.2mm (Haven't measured my current runners.)
My Ideal Throttle Body is: (SQRT [((154.2)x(4)x(3.818)x(7500)x((3.425)^(2))/67547])x1.15 = 63.69mm (Hoping I can find a J series TB that is 64-65mm. For reference the stock F23A TB is 55mm, while a J32A2 TB is 65mm. The J series TB slides right onto the F series plenum and looks like it should work just fine with a block off plate or two.)
my ideal intake tube diameter is: 1.15 x 63.69 = 73.24mm or 2.883" = AEM V2 at 3".

I'm still working on getting some cam specs to make a decision on that. Also a few other things I was worried about I found answers to last night. I've been trying to find upgraded valve springs for the F23A1 without much luck. The same thing with over sized valves. Well Bisimoto offers both. While I don't really trust Bisimoto with cam regrinds at all anymore, I think I'll be safe with the springs and the over sized stainless steel valves. Now that those things are covered, I think I'm just down to the cash to actually be able to put all this together.

I haven't really worked on anything related to Lola for a week or two now. Although I did manage to remove the decal on the back for Jon Henry Auto Sales, so the trunk looks much cleaner now. I've mainly been working on cleaning up the engine that is going to go back into old Lola. I think I'm about 80% done with this now. I'm getting ready to take the head off to send to the machine shop for a quick rebuild. I found a spare set of head bolts and an extra head gasket laying around while cleaning up the garage. If I hadn't found them I probably wouldn't be ripping the head off. I'm going to order a gasket kit and a timing belt / water pump kit. Then it's just back into the car and out of my life. Well I have a little bit of body work to do. I'm going to try and document the process to fix the roof line where it was slightly crushed by a crow bar.
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Old 12-17-2017, 10:55 PM   #664
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If I recall correctly, I used the rail and injectors from my f22b2 and swapped them straight onto my f23 manifold when I did the swap.
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Old 12-18-2017, 10:03 AM   #665
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And people think that Honda's have no torque...it's time to shut them up.
That sentiment never made sense, unless they were comparing 1.6/1.8 liter N/A engines to 2.0+ liter boosted engines.

I'm excited for this build, one thing I wish I had a bit more of was low end grunt considering I kept the stock transmission on my H-swap.
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Old 12-20-2017, 09:46 PM   #666
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If I recall correctly, I used the rail and injectors from my f22b2 and swapped them straight onto my f23 manifold when I did the swap.
That's what I'd expect for a CD Accord. The problem with the CB is that the fuel line comes from the passenger side not the driver's side. So I need to come up with a solution that will basically extend the fuel line or buy a different fuel rail. I'm hoping that the $35 one on eBay will work perfectly.

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That sentiment never made sense, unless they were comparing 1.6/1.8 liter N/A engines to 2.0+ liter boosted engines.

I'm excited for this build, one thing I wish I had a bit more of was low end grunt considering I kept the stock transmission on my H-swap.
Even if you had an H series transmission, there still isn't enough low end grunt for me. Not like an F22Ax engine on an H series transmission. I still haven't even had a chance to use one of the good H series transmissions yet, I'm still using the M2S4, and honestly it's done me well enough over the years. I wish 1st gear was a little taller to drop into 2nd gear with more hp/tq and an Accord 5th gear for the mileage on the highway. These are all goals once this F23A1 is done eating away all my spare monies. I'm going to stick with a transmission that doesn't have a factory LSD. I want a Qualfie to truly put the power down!
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:04 PM   #667
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when i had a b1 in my car, i took 2 stock fuel lines and found a 3/8 barb fitting on both sides and used that to join the lines together with 2 clamps. it worked good.
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Old 12-29-2017, 09:22 AM   #668
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when i had a b1 in my car, i took 2 stock fuel lines and found a 3/8 barb fitting on both sides and used that to join the lines together with 2 clamps. it worked good.
I bought the eBay line and it looks like it's going to work perfectly.
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Old 12-29-2017, 09:51 AM   #669
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Update time. Although I haven't really worked on Lola at all. I've been working on the engine to go back into old Lola.

I also had a small disaster with trying to replace the sunroof. I finally managed to do it but I had to call in sick and make an emergency trip to Spokane, WA to Pull and Save to get a coupe sunroof. I pulled the one out of my parts car but it was for a sedan, there is a difference in the frame mounting tabs of 1/4". The shape of the roof is slightly different in the coupes due to the longer doors and farther back B pillar. On this trip I found a few goodies for Lola though. I got a set of dual pot Legend calipers, RL black leather grab handles, front grey coupe door panels, and a few other things I can't think of off the top of my head.

I've managed to buy a few items for Lola's new engine as well. Not a lot but even the small stuff is taking items off the list to purchase.

RDX Injectors with VMS Top Hats (Injectors are flow matched to within 2% of each other, and came with RDX to OBD2 clips.)


F23A Intake Manifold with RDX Injectors on F23 Fuel Rail (I still need to clean up the fuel rail, I was more concerned if I could get the injectors to work.)


eBay Civic Fuel Line


F22A6 Piston after Initial Cleanup


Front Side of Block after Cleanup (All of the brackets and shields that are bolted on have been cleaned as well. There is some dirt and whatnot that got knocked onto the block that I need to blow off with some compressed air.)


Rear Side of Block after Cleanup (There is some dirt and other stuff that needs to be blown off with compressed air as well on this side.)


Front of Block after Cleanup (The oil pump still needs to be removed. I'm going to reseal it and the rear plate as well as replace the o-rings in the oil pump. I need the cylinder head back on the block first though as I need to remove the oil pan.)


Pistons after Final Cleanup


I hoping to get the pistons ordered soon. Then I can drop off the block, crank, pistons and a few other misc parts and have the machine shop start working on all of it. Really all that is holding me back right now is cash for all the parts. Also time since I'm trying to get a 1000 things done on old Lola to get her ready to sell. I'll be back on track of more regular updates soon. I've managed to survive the holidays.
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Old 01-05-2018, 04:11 PM   #670
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Oh man all that work you did to the h22 and its not what you expected. Well we all know your next engine build will be super clean and look great
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Oh man all that work you did to the h22 and its not what you expected. Well we all know your next engine build will be super clean and look great
Oh well even disappointment can lead to good things eventually. Not being happy with the H22 has led me to the F23A1 which was my original plan anyway. Well F23 block with F22A head, but I want to try the full F23A1 first. If it proves disappointing as well, then we just always jump ship and go FI or say F it all and put in a 11:1 built J36 something akin to what Jarrett is doing. I'm sure with a nice V6 she would pretty much be at her limits and more reliable than FI. Only time will tell in the long run. Either way I'm still turning wrenches and I'm happy for the most part with the car. Granted I still need to put a ton more work in to get her closer to being finished...
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Not much of an update on Lola really. But I have managed to finally rebuilding the engine for old Lola. I'm just waiting on a new clutch to arrive to bolt the transmission on the engine.

The last 2 weekends we have had some beautiful 35-42* weather, I've managed to take advantage of it by taking some drive's in Lola. My GF got me a GoPro for Christmas, and I put it to some good use. I'm going to try and get some videos uploaded of Lola in action here very soon.

I've done a few things to Lola that I haven't had a chance to get pictures of or document. I finally managed to get the heat gun to the trunk of the car and remove the "John Henry Auto Sales" decal. On a junkyard run a month or so ago I got some black leather RL grab handles. I got those installed into Lola as well. That has been about the extent of that work that I've managed to accomplish on her.

On old Lola though I have managed to clean half the engine bay in preparation of getting the engine back in the car. I've also managed to remove the dashboard and reinstalled all of the HVAC components onto the firewall again. I'm almost ready to reinstall the dashboard. I'll get some pictures of where I'm at with this stuff, just to keep you all in the loop of where I'm at on this project.
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Old 02-03-2018, 01:27 AM   #673
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That's a beautiful accord. One day mine will look the same i hope. Like the auto temp control. Rims look really nice and the sleeper look is beyond cool.
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Old 02-08-2018, 09:14 AM   #674
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That's a beautiful accord. One day mine will look the same i hope. Like the auto temp control. Rims look really nice and the sleeper look is beyond cool.
Thank you Zed! I'm hoping to maintain the sleeper look throughout the life of the car. Also I'm trying to incorporate a lot of the technology from the newer cars out there. Eventually get a backup camera integrated like Raf99 has, and some other features I've seen. I've got an Acura TL/CL auto rear view mirror retrofitted, but haven't gotten it reinstalled since, old Lola was stolen. I have a bunch of small stuff to get installed/work on for Lola, just I'm trying to wrap up old Lola so I can sell her.

All it really takes though is some patience and a lot of dedication. I know your trying to get yours running in top condition now.
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Alright it's been awhile since I've updated this thread with anything. That being said it's update time!

I've managed to get most of old Lola put back together in every way possible. The engine is back in the engine bay with 90% of everything hooked up and plugged in. There are a few things left that either need to be ordered or picked up from the junkyard. I'm making a junkyard run on Monday as we have president's day off, to Pull and Save in Spokane, WA. I've ordered the last big piece I needed which is the Innovative Auto to Manual mount. I still need to make one last order from Rockauto as she needs some new brake pads. I'm not going to be putting new rotors on it, just pads. I've spend more than enough cash on this thing getting back up to par on the engine and trans, I'm not going to sink any more cash into her than I need to. I might have a possible buyer lined up as well, which would be awesome!

I actually have a few updates on Lola as well. I've actually managed to purchase something for her, for the first time in awhile.

- JDM Foglights (Thanks Nick!)
- EGR Block-Off Plate (Thanks Nick!)
- Fumoto Adapter for Oil Drain Valve (ADP-106)
- Fumoto Oil Drain Valve (F-106)
- KSTuned.com F23 Rods (Rated for up to 600hp)
- KSTuned.com Balance Shaft Delete Kit
- Nippon Racing K24Z3 Pistons
- Civic Aluminum Radiator (3 core with full shroud)

I'm going to pickup the block tonight, and hopefully drop it off today before the machine shop closes. If not I'll have to drop it off on Tuesday, as I won't be home before they are closed on Monday.

I'm most likely going to get the valve springs and 1mm OS stainless steel valves bought in the next couple of days as well.

I've been working with KBA to figure out the correct cam specs for this engine. I need to get a few more measurements for him, and then we can get the cam dialed in a bit more. I'm hoping to get this stuff measured this weekend.

I'll get some pictures of stuff up in the next day or two. I'm starting to get excited about this build, now that progress is being made.
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Thank you Zed! I'm hoping to maintain the sleeper look throughout the life of the car. Also I'm trying to incorporate a lot of the technology from the newer cars out there. Eventually get a backup camera integrated like Raf99 has, and some other features I've seen. I've got an Acura TL/CL auto rear view mirror retrofitted, but haven't gotten it reinstalled since, old Lola was stolen. I have a bunch of small stuff to get installed/work on for Lola, just I'm trying to wrap up old Lola so I can sell her.

All it really takes though is some patience and a lot of dedication. I know your trying to get yours running in top condition now.
As all must budget. I effn just love the auto climate control and now am wondering in future can i do that. As i am getting an alarm system installed soon and thinking about auto start. SO it will be nice and warm when i get in car.I have a manual tranny though and most shops want a dollar dollar for it. I didn't even know they make an auto climate control for that car model(acura model am guessing). Does it change over easily?
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As all must budget. I effn just love the auto climate control and now am wondering in future can i do that. As i am getting an alarm system installed soon and thinking about auto start. SO it will be nice and warm when i get in car.I have a manual tranny though and most shops want a dollar dollar for it. I didn't even know they make an auto climate control for that car model(acura model am guessing). Does it change over easily?
Zed, the digital climate control (DCC) is from a AUM or JDM Accord. My particular one came from the Australian market. I got every piece from a 4th Gen Accord, although you can do this with mostly Acura bits if you only buy the DCC unit. This is probably one of the most involved job's you can do on your car. As you have to overhaul half of the HVAC system and rewire a ton of it. It's more than worth the effort involved in my opinion. But your probably going to be working on it for a week or two. Basically you need something else to drive or drive without working HVAC for that time.
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Alright so I've managed to get the parts to the machine shop. I still haven't dropped off the head yet, as I want to do some work on it but haven't had the time yet. I'm almost fully done getting Old Lola up and running again, as well and putting everything back together.

So I've managed to drop off the block, rods, pistons, girdle, balance shaft eliminator kit, crank, and a few other misc items.

The problem that I'm running into right now is between the rods and the pistons. The pistons are at Honda's specs exactly. The problem is with the wrist pins. The rods small end bushings were bored to accept aftermarket pistons (Wiseco, JE, etc...). My wrist pin measures out at 21.97mm while the rods are bored to 22mm. While it may seem small this is huge in the engine building world.

I've contacted KStuned.com, my options are somewhat limited right now. As I can either buy stock spec aftermarket pistons (a waste....), return the rods and use toothpick OEM rods, or possibly rebush the rods, or bore the wrist pin holes. The machine shop is contacting Diamond Racing Products today to see if we can get some new bushings and rebush the rods. I asked about buying rods that weren't bored yet, and that isn't an option either. If Diamond Racing Products doesn't have them I might see who KStuned got the bushings from.

In other news I got a few more sets of cam specs, so I need to get those to KBA to see if they are a better fit for this engine than the one from Bad Guys Racing.
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Quick update on the status of things. I have to apologize in advance that I have been seriously slacking in the picture department lately. This is due to a few things in life. Currently my GF's parents are living with us while they are in a transition period in moving from MT to AZ. They will be with us for about a month and a half. While this doesn't seem like it should impact pictures, it is. My desktop PC is located in the guest bedroom, where they are staying. I usually use the PC later at night before heading to bed. Well they usually go to bed around 8pm. I'm not usually ready to sit down and read/upload stuff until about 9:30 to 11:00. Needless to say, that I've pretty much lost most of the access to my PC at home. I've been taking pictures, I just haven't had the time to actually sit down and get everything uploaded and linked. I'm hoping this weekend I can finally get some time to get some of this accomplished.

Updates are as follows, machine shop got a hold of Diamond Racing Products, and they were able to find a bushing that would work for these rods. One problem is that they could be 2-4 weeks from shipping the bushings to the machine shop. The guy said he would try to get it expedited because it was such a small order. This is some of the best news about the engine build. As of now I don't have to return the rods or order new pistons. Thank god! Either would have resulted in wasted cash somewhere. The bushings themselves were $14 each for a total of $56 and $11 each to press and hone the bushings for a total of $44. This is only a $100 setback and I can handle that, but wasting a ton of cash on pistons and then having to order new ones without much hope of reselling the Nippon Racing ones.

The second update is that yesterday I finally received the 3 core aluminum Civic radiator. I got the fan mounted to the shroud and the shroud mounted onto the radiator. Then I proceeded to mock it up in the bay after I drained and removed the original radiator. I may or may not have an issue with this as well. Due to having the Innovative traction bar which pushed up both of the lower radiator mounting points up a bit. This is causing the Civic radiator to sit a little higher than the core support. While not a huge deal, I'm a bit scared that the top bracket holding the radiator might have interference with the hood fully closing. I'm not going to be able to get a better idea of this until I get a second lower foot welded into the correct place for this Civic radiator. Once the foot is in place I need to build some risers with some tubing to accommodate for the slightly raised bracket mounting point.

It sounds like the machine shop should be boring the cylinders as soon I get them piston to wall clearance from Nippon Racing. Well girls and boys we are finally getting closer to having a decently built N/A F23A1!
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Oh I also forgot to mention that on President's day when I went to Pull and Save in Spokane, WA to get all the remaining stuff that I needed to finish up old Lola, I found another transmission.

They had a '97 Prelude in the yard. I've given up even checking the VIN's on the Prelude's because if they have an H22 in the them, the engine/trans/interior is usually gone by the time I get there. Even if the Prelude has only been in the yard a day or two. So needless to say I didn't know if this particular Prelude was auto or manual. Well when I walked by it, it turned out to be a base model manual car. Someone took the cylinder head and left the block and transmission. Well the car was hit in the front and totaled by insurance. I shifted all the gears, everything felt great. Granted I haven't run this transmission so I can't say for sure, but you shall see some pictures of this as well. It's an M2Y4, so it's going to be a slight upgrade from my M2S4. The upgrade is a shorter 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear with 4th and 5th remain exactly the same. I wish 1st gear was the same as the M2S4 or a bit longer, oh well can't have everything we want. I only paid $78 for the transmission with a core charge. Far better than the $300 I've paid for each of the M2S4's that I have. This transmission will go in the car when I put the F23A1 in her.

On an unrelated note, I took the car for a drive yesterday. It was glorious. Our temps around here for the last week have been in the upper 30's low 40's, so some of the highways are almost totally bone dry. Granted the asphalt isn't hot and sticky, at least Lola can be taken out and driven again, even if it is somewhat limited.
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