220whp is a little unrealisitic on this build. you'd probably be making about the same power as a relatively stock H22A but spending a ton more.
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The F22B head is about 3ccs larger chamber than the F22A. If everything is left stock on the headswap the F22A's 8.8:1 drops to 8.4:1 with similar cams. If you think about it the H23A1 is virtually the same thing as the F22B. It's got another point of compression and 100ccs more displacement and they typically dyno less than 150whp in I/H/E trim. With less compression and less displacement you'll be hard pressed to make as much or more power even with cams.
With 2.3 liter displacement, high compression, ported head, bigger cams and high-end free-flowing exhaust 210whp is possible but at what cost? For a similar investment you can make a lot more power with a VTEC head. Also with large cams on nonVTEC platforms you start sacrificing driveability.
Dollar for dollar VTEC will yeild more power once you start investing in all the expensive components.VTEC G27? = ???whp ???wtq
VTEC G23 = 220whp 191wtq
nonVTEC G23 = 200whp 183wtq
K24 iVTEC hybrid = 260whp 210wtq
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Originally posted by PirateMcFred View PostThe F22B head is about 3ccs larger chamber than the F22A. If everything is left stock on the headswap the F22A's 8.8:1 drops to 8.4:1 with similar cams. If you think about it the H23A1 is virtually the same thing as the F22B. It's got another point of compression and 100ccs more displacement and they typically dyno less than 150whp in I/H/E trim. With less compression and less displacement you'll be hard pressed to make as much or more power even with cams.
With 2.3 liter displacement, high compression, ported head, bigger cams and high-end free-flowing exhaust 210whp is possible but at what cost? For a similar investment you can make a lot more power with a VTEC head. Also with large cams on nonVTEC platforms you start sacrificing driveability.
Dollar for dollar VTEC will yeild more power once you start investing in all the expensive components.
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Originally posted by sulimed View Postif you want to hit 220 with out a bunch of problems......boost.
and it cheaperLast edited by TuneAccordingly; 05-14-2010, 04:56 PM.
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Originally posted by TuneAccordingly View PostAs in problems do you mean it'll be more reliable to have a 220whp turbo f22 than a 220whp n/a h23 frank or h22? Because from what I know n/a is more reliable especially with an h22 all it takes is a set of bolt-ons, cams, and a good tune to get @least 200whp+
and you'll only get to 220 hp with a stock H block and some bolts on's is if it's a JDM type-R (or is it a type-S).
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u would have to do a lot of work
cams
valves / springs
I/H/E
high comp pistons
etc
but 200+ on a f block isnt impossible. bisi biult a f22a1 to 350 hp for the top shop challenge. it was the slowest engine but the only na one and the most reliable one too
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Originally posted by sulimed View Posttrying to push a N/A f block to 220.
and you'll only get to 220 hp with a stock H block and some bolts on's is if it's a JDM type-R (or is it a type-S).
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Originally posted by rexload View PostA turbo setup at only 200hp not reliable? i disagree, I've NEVER seen or heard of anyone blowing a stock Honda engine at only 200hp (ghetto setups with no tune don't count)
There is nothing wrong with a nice N/A setup, but the reliability is good either way.
Ok cool but what I'm saying is if i went boost im going to be aiming for 300-400whp @least but only about 220-250whp n/a but I guess I just stuck trying to decide the choice in terms of reliabilty and funds. For example:
Turbo setup:
Block:f22a
-h22 forged rods
-wiseco 85mm evo stroker psitons
Head:f22a
-delta 272 cam
-obx cam gear
-supertech valve springs, retainers
-valves???
-street aggressive pnp
ebay fmic
obx wastegate
obx blow-off valve
obx turbo header
obx downpipe
aem fpr
aem fuel rail
walbro fuel pump
dsm/rc 440/560cc injectors
megan racing drift spec 2.5in exhaust
h23 tb and im
Ecu: apexi vafc or hondata s200
How reliable will I be with this setup? Keep in mind this is a daily driver lol as daily as it gets. I drive my car every single day. I'll be driving this at about 220-250whp daily but 300-400whp when I need it.
N/A Setup:
Block:H22a
-type s pistons or mahle 12.5 pistons (if i can find them)
-h22 forged rods
Head:H22a
-stage 2/3 skunk2/crower cams
-skunk2/aem/obx cam gear
-ferrea valves
-supertech valve springs,retainers
-street aggressive pnp
smsp tri-y header
skunk2/euro r manifold
aem cold air intake
megan 2.5in drift spec exhaust
walbro fuel pump
aem fprLast edited by TuneAccordingly; 05-15-2010, 08:05 PM.
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Originally posted by TuneAccordingly View Post... a major setback with the f22 is the single cam ...
Now I know the h22a and other DOHC engines have higher compression than their SOHC variants...that is the actual main setback and reason why they have higher power...in addition to other things like stroke, intake design, exhaust design...but compression alone is a major factor.____
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Originally posted by TuneAccordingly View PostAs in problems do you mean it'll be more reliable to have a 220whp turbo f22 than a 220whp n/a h23 frank or h22? Because from what I know n/a is more reliable especially with an h22 all it takes is a set of bolt-ons, cams, and a good tune to get @least 200whp+~Nick~
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Originally posted by Grumpys93 View Postthis is a invalid statement lodollar and many others have proved that their set up can last just as long if not longer then n/a hell my last motor before i took it out ran for 2-3 years and i only took it out because i am building the f22b and need to prep the engine bay for paint.____
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doesnt lodollar drive his daily and its 500+???
what doesnt the h22 and f22a bottom end get seen more? id love to have an accord at 250hp and 230-40tq for a daily.... thats tons of redlight and interstate fun....Members Ride sold...
I'm back...... with a coupe. oh boy here we go.
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