Hey everyone i currently have a 1993 accord sedan its been swapped to 5 speed im looking for a cheap engine swap to get max power any suggestions would ve greatly appreciated thank you
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Cheap is not a good description for an engine swap. What are you goals, what is cheap considered to you? Is this your daily driver? Do you plan to retain A/c or Power steering?
There is a metric ton of information on swaps done to our cars on this site. Fortunately for you just about every swap has already been done so you can use the search function and I guarantee you’ll find someone has done it and documented the process.
We even have a section called Swaps that you can look under and get ideas.~Nick~
FSAE (F Series Accord Enthusiasts) ..."A dying breed thats taking it to the next level" Lucky #13
MR Thread:http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthre...ight=Grumpys93
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“Max power” won’t be cheap. Cheap won’t be fast, or reliable.
I would recommend the H22A. 92-95 for easiest installation. You’ll find step by step instructions in the swaps section, as Nick suggested. You’ll also find that you get much more help when you’ve taken the time to do research on your own. There are guys with 20+ years experience modifying these cars on here. Their input is incredibly valuable. But most of them won’t waste their time helping if they feel like they’re spoon feeding you.
Other swap options are less-powerful H/F series engines, or more advanced K series engines that will be costly to install.
You could also beef up the internals in your current engine and go turbo. That will be the most power for the money, but it’ll still cost over $3000 to really do it right. And reliability may not be as good as stock, or an unmodified stock engine.
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Just wanted to reinforce what Deev said.
The term "swap" has sort of become a catch-all word these days and doesn't accurately convey what is needed to change an engine out in most instances. This is evidenced by the fact that it is even used as a noun, which I find odd. Many times a "swap" might cost some small amount, but all of the ancillary items needed to actually start the car and drive with that engine cause the overall cost to increase substantially.
The OBD1 H22A is the perfect beginner swap to have a car with 170whp and factory reliability. It is the best example of an engine that truly is as-advertised in terms of how easy it is to perform, and how significant the gains are. I always say the H23A VTEC would be the one I'd recommend, but it does take slightly more to explain some of the minor nuances.
Something to keep in mind these days is that even your newest, best-kept OBD1 H22As are 24 years old at this point. Even those are going to need timing belts, seals and o-rings galore. However, due to the availability of a plug-and-play ECU, the ability to reuse OEM Accord mounts and axles (or even the whole transmission, if you're okay with the difference in gearing), and how compatible the intake and exhaust manifolds are with what's already in the car, it just can't be beat in terms of how economical it is.My Members' Ride Thread - It's a marathon build, not a sprint. But keep me honest on the update frequency!
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Originally posted by '93CB7Ex View Postk24
Engine - $350 (K24A2)
Transmission - $200 (Accord 5-speed)
Mounts - $550
Hondata K-Pro - $650
Axles - $150
Wiring harness - $350
Header + exhaust mod. - $350
Shifter+cables/throttle cable/intake/etc. - $150
Worth it? Yes. Cheap for the performance? Yes. Cheapest? Not quite.My Members' Ride Thread - It's a marathon build, not a sprint. But keep me honest on the update frequency!
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Originally posted by Bamaboy1990 View PostHey everyone i currently have a 1993 accord sedan its been swapped to 5 speed im looking for a cheap engine swap to get max power any suggestions would ve greatly appreciated thank you
h23a blue has 200 horsepower.
If this is enough, then the choice is obvious for everyday.
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It's also OBD2 only, which requires some modification to work in an OBD1 car.
Not a bad option, but the H22A also has 200hp, and OBD1 models exist (though they are getting harder to find.) For American buyers, at least, the H22A can be cheaper and easier to repair than the H23A or F20B, which were never offered in the North American market. Parts stores and North American based online retailers don't stock parts for those engines.
If you're looking for the following things:
Reliability
Ease of installation
Low cost
Parts availability
Mechanic familiarity
Internet documentation
Aftermarket support
As much power as you can get while meeting the above criteria
Then the H22A is the best choice. OBD1 if you can find it, as that will be the easiest swap.
The H23A1 is probably your next best bet.
Next up would be the foreign market (non-US) engines, such as F20B, H23A VTEC, F22B DOHC, etc...
After that, things get expensive. The K series is fantastic, and will remain supported by the aftermarket long after the H and F series engines are forgotten, but the cost of installing one (parts alone) exceeds the value of most CB7s.
Beyond the K series, it's all custom. You're limited only by the money you're willing to pay for a professional fabricator to get crazy with your car. People have done RWD V8 swaps in these cars (I wouldn't recommend that, as it sacrifices everything that makes these cars great.)
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Originally posted by deevergote View PostIt's also OBD2 only, which requires some modification to work in an OBD1 car.
Not a bad option, but the H22A also has 200hp, and OBD1 models exist (though they are getting harder to find.) For American buyers, at least, the H22A can be cheaper and easier to repair than the H23A or F20B, which were never offered in the North American market. Parts stores and North American based online retailers don't stock parts for those engines.
If you're looking for the following things:
Reliability
Ease of installation
Low cost
Parts availability
Mechanic familiarity
Internet documentation
Aftermarket support
As much power as you can get while meeting the above criteria
Then the H22A is the best choice. OBD1 if you can find it, as that will be the easiest swap.
The H23A1 is probably your next best bet.
Next up would be the foreign market (non-US) engines, such as F20B, H23A VTEC, F22B DOHC, etc...
After that, things get expensive. The K series is fantastic, and will remain supported by the aftermarket long after the H and F series engines are forgotten, but the cost of installing one (parts alone) exceeds the value of most CB7s.
Beyond the K series, it's all custom. You're limited only by the money you're willing to pay for a professional fabricator to get crazy with your car. People have done RWD V8 swaps in these cars (I wouldn't recommend that, as it sacrifices everything that makes these cars great.)
I myself made a swap from a carburetor f20a to h23a in two weeks. there is a lot of information on the Internet how to remake a braid.
no need to fear obd2
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Originally posted by Nahlabuher View PostI myself made a swap from a carburetor f20a to h23a in two weeks. there is a lot of information on the Internet how to remake a braid.
no need to fear obd2
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