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Old 05-09-2018, 09:19 PM   #1
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Tubular Chromoly Front Subframe Group Buy Feeler Post

Hello everyone! I'd like to put a feeler out there for those of you who take their crappy old Hondas a little bit more serious than most sane people. I'm wanting to gauge the potential market on here to see who would be interested in a chromoly front subframe for their Accord.

I began looking for a fabricator that would be able to create a jig fro the factory subframe and recreate it from tubular chromoly. The tubular steel construction would allow it to be much less obtrusive for those wanting to do J-swaps (like me) or K-swaps. Both of those engines have exhaust ports that are rear-facing and the subframe can create issues with manifold and downpipe routing. In the case of the J-series transmission, the actual differential won't clear the subframe without significant notching. Using a chromoly steel would allow us to shave up to 20 lbs off of the OEM part while gaining a ton more strength.


Below is a picture of a similar product for a 1988-1991 Honda Civic/CR-X. I believe this one is missing sway bar mounting provisions, but that makes sense as Whitfield primarily focuses on drag cars.






The company I have in mind is one that's here local to me in Houston. It's a company that has extensive experience building dedicated drag cars which require numerous certifications depending on the respective class, and all have to pass visual safety inspections. They are more than capable of handling a job like this. Check them out below. The fab company is 660FAB, which is the fabrication portion of ALLN1 Autoworks.


https://www.instagram.com/660fab

https://www.instagram.com/alln1autoworks/

https://www.facebook.com/660-FAB-153575618622661/



I would imagine pricing would be in the $1500 neighborhood, with the potential to be lower depending on economies of scale. I imagine there are only three or four others that would realistically do this to their 25 year-old car in 2018, but with the popularity of K-series and J-series swaps only going up, I thought it worth it to present everyone with the option.

There are 100 questions I know anyone would have, so instead of trying to answer them all now I'll just let people ask and try to answer them as they come. The timeline I'm thinking for this would be around 6 months from now that I would take the car to the shop for fitment. I could take them my subframe as soon as this month. Just to give everyone an idea of when to commit to something like this.

Thanks for any interest and let me know what I can answer for you!
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Old 05-10-2018, 10:38 AM   #2
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I would actually really like to see this happen. Especially given that we have a 6 month lead time on this. I can start working on setting some cash aside now for this endeavor. After this being brought up and then having our hopes crushed. I was thinking of ways to stiffen up the sub-frame we have currently, as was thinking about grabbing one from a junk yard to start working on. I would rather just get a tubular frame that is far stronger.

The only thing I want to see is the provisions for the sway bars obviously.

I have a feeling that eventually Lola is going to end up with a J series engine in her.
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Would this setup help for the J series to sit just low enough to clear the CB hood also? Somebody needs to make a CB “bump up” hood like jdm EF civics had.
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Old 05-10-2018, 05:27 PM   #4
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The only thing I want to see is the provisions for the sway bars obviously.
Any part that I had made would have provisions for a sway bar. The Civic part I used as a reference did not. If anyone who purchased one of these did not want to use a sway bar, they can just opt to not run a sway bar. That way, everyone gets what they want.

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I have a feeling that eventually Lola is going to end up with a J series engine in her.
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Would this setup help for the J series to sit just low enough to clear the CB hood also? Somebody needs to make a CB “bump up” hood like jdm EF civics had.
It potentially could as it would allow the engine to sit further back, which would also allow the installer to set the differential location for the correct axle angle.
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Old 05-13-2018, 11:47 PM   #5
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Is this thing really THAT far-fetched? Only one other interested person? I didn't think it would have the same success as the Cheddas rear top hat group buy, but I thought at least three other people, for sure.

Does anyone have concerns other than cost? Is it a want vs. a need? Is it not really even a want? Give me some feedback.
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Old 05-14-2018, 08:29 AM   #6
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Not that this is the best feedback, but I'm sure price sucks.

I don't need this right now but I really want it. I have a feeling that in a few years, Lola will have a J engine in her bay. This would seriously help with that I have no doubts.

I'm trying to stiffen up the chassis as much as I can without getting seriously drastic and stitch welding the entire body. Although that isn't out of the realm of possibilities. A solid sub-frame would really help with this as well.
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