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Old 05-15-2019, 12:01 AM   #541
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Your text led me to believe it was worse. Well we’ll see. You got this. I got my fingers crossed so you can use yours to handle this situation lol. The CB forehead smacker issues I’ve created in the past always come with the financial kick to the jewels as well. Unfortunately they seem to go hand in hand.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:40 AM   #542
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Have you done a wet compression test? Could it be the rings?
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:52 AM   #543
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Have you done a wet compression test? Could it be the rings?
no point in doing a wet test. the rings would have to be broken to only make 40psi. and they arent gonna be broken on a fresh engine that already had a clean bill of health on an initial compression test (prior to the cam gear install).

Stuff happens. This was definitely the last thing on my mind but the diagnostic ladder kept leading me towards it until i finally had enough and had to know. I feel for him, but it will get fixed and we will get back on it.
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Old 05-15-2019, 04:24 PM   #544
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I hate when that happens. You should be good with just valves. One of my rescue projects had all 16 valves bent - stock pistons were fine; your forged pistons should tolerate more than a little valve contact.
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Old 05-15-2019, 05:00 PM   #545
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Dam, well good luck man. I'm not sure what to say except good luck.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:14 PM   #546
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I hate when that happens. You should be good with just valves. One of my rescue projects had all 16 valves bent - stock pistons were fine; your forged pistons should tolerate more than a little valve contact.
Thatís what Iím hoping for but you never know.
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Dam, well good luck man. I'm not sure what to say except good luck.
Lol nothing really needed to say. Just bummed I made such a newbie mistake. Oh well live and learn.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:02 PM   #547
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So I had some free time and tore the head off the car to look at the damage. I am happy to see that the pistons are still in excellent condition:

#1

#2

#3
#4

So after seeing everything was good I pulled the valves, these are the valves from cylinder #2(which had 40psi compression):

It was hard to see if they were bent, I first tried to eye it and couldn't see much, then I did the roll test and that was a little tough to tell. But When I put them in a drill, 2 of the 4 has a small wobble and 2 looked true. If you look at the picture you will see the 3rd valve on the right(intake valve) has a slight bend.


Cylinder 3 had a compression of 150 so I pulled the valves on that one as well and couldn't see much. I am going to replace them anyways. I went ahead and ordered 8 new valves from Honda 4 intake and 4 exhaust.

I will be dropping the head at the machine shop and should hopefully have it back next week.

Stay tuned.
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Old 05-24-2019, 04:10 AM   #548
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Dam... you're making my leaky gas tank issue not feel so bad.
So no drinking while working on the car this time ? (kidding)

So there's nothing left after this fix is there? Straight to the dyno again?
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Old 05-24-2019, 08:55 AM   #549
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Dam... you're making my leaky gas tank issue not feel so bad.
So no drinking while working on the car this time ? (kidding)

So there's nothing left after this fix is there? Straight to the dyno again?
Oh drinking will still commence it just wonít be a copious amount. Blake and I still havenít gotten it to start and run. Hoping thatís due to the low compression, but yes after first start it should be straight to a tune. While the head is out, I am fixing a couple of the small issues as well as install my AEM AFR gauge I just received in the mail yesterday. Not sure where Iím going to mount it yet.

Dealing with any kind of leak is never a fun task, especially if it requires dropping a fuel tank.
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Old 05-24-2019, 04:49 PM   #550
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That's alright man, I know you'll get it together in no time & it will be a
beast for sure!

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Old 05-28-2019, 09:31 PM   #551
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That's alright man, I know you'll get it together in no time & it will be a
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Mistakes just help us learn & grow stronger into the future.
Exactly!

So got the head back from the shop today they found 2 exhaust valves bent and 3 intake valves that they said were rounded and not sealing properly. I asked them is that due to poor machining from a previous shop and they said no its just due to valves getting old and losing their "edge." I said thats weird as when I took them to the shop in jacksonville they were all new so how could they be old. Which made me question if this machine shop took my new valves and swapped them with old valves.

Anyways they pressure checked the valves and they all passed with flying colors (the new valves) and I have some brand new valves left over for future bends (hopefully this never happens). They also hot tanked it and cleaned it up. So I'm hoping this weekend I can throw the head on at the very minimum, since I am back into the simulator/ flight phase of flight school.



Also installed my MTEC shifter springs into the tranny and it made going back to neutral very nice and crisp took away all the slop. A note for anyone who plans to do this mod, make sure you follow the instructions to the t, if you don't put the spring in correctly i.e which bend on the top spring is on top, the lever for the shifter arm inside the assembly will pop out of the spring after a couple actuations. The picture below is the only one I took and this shows the spring on upside down. The top bend should be on crossing the other side of the arm.

So make sure you look at the pictures on their website very carefully, Im glad I tested it a couple times before I installed it.



Then finally got an awesome deal on an AEM AFR gauge and figured I needed one anyways, So I wired it into the ECU for datalogging as per John Vega (Phearable) instructions. I haven't had a chance to test it yet, but once the motor is back together, I will do an OPs check on it. I am now stuck on where to mount it. I thought about this location but don't like the wires and don't really want to drill a hole in the dash. The only other location I can think of is on top of the steering column, but then it blocks the speedo, though I rarely look at it.



Progress is being made and we are slowly getting to that second attempt at a start. Hopefully next week will be that day.
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Old 05-29-2019, 07:29 AM   #552
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You should have no more compression issues in cylinder number 2. It should be nice and explosive. I'll be waiting on some form of video. I had to go back and comb through your progress.
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i had a pic once of someone who put the gauge in the vent hole. Looked good. My vote is for the A pillar, but this depends on how many gauges you are going to run.
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Old 05-29-2019, 08:59 PM   #554
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i had a pic once of someone who put the gauge in the vent hole. Looked good. My vote is for the A pillar, but this depends on how many gauges you are going to run.
I already have 2 gauges on my A Pillar and I honestly don't want a third, I thought about using a vent to hold it but that would require me to remove the dash which I currently do not want to do, maybe down the road once this thing is running.

So I got done with my sim early today, and what better way to relax then working on the car, so I decided to put the head on today. The head is torqued down, timing is done (Correctly I hope) I verified all my marking this time, installed the intake manifold and fuel plumbing. All I have left to do is bolt up the turbo components, pour in all the fluids, bleed the coolant, connect the exhaust components. hook up alternator, dizzy, and then attempt to start her for a second time.

It would be awesome if I could get this all done before the weekend, but it all depends on work and how exhausted I am at the end of the day.

Anyways here is a pic of the engine:



For all of those who study pictures to look for flaws, when I took this picture you will notice that the water neck sensor has the wrong connector on it(should be green plug not grey) I have since fixed this and we are good to go there.
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Looks good man! I wish you luck, I'll be rootin' for ya!
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Ok so maybe y'all can help. Got the head back on compression test was 155/145/155/170. I am going to readjust the valves again and see if I can get those numbers a little closer together.

I attempted to start it the other day and it would not start unless I was WOT and had it crank for a good couple cranks. Now I don't know if this is due to the basemap or what. I have my wideband hooked up and the gauge was reading around 16.8 when I was WOT or holding it at 2k.

I decided to pull the plugs and see if I can see anything and this is what I found:


Its kind of hard to tell but 1 &4 are covered in soot and 2&3 are blackish with a gloss to them. I decided to check the injectors first thinking maybe they were spraying and I found the resistance to all of them were .007 and that they were all seeing 12 volts. Only thing I didn't check was the signal wire, but that is due to not having someone available to crank while I check.

I think the injectors and harness are fine as I used this same harness on the h22, along with the fuel lines and fuel pump. So my questions are:

what could be causing the need to be WOT to get it start and stay alive?

Why are 1&4 spark plugs full of carbon and 2&3 aren't?

So the only variables I have changed between the h22 and this motor are, the motor, the turbo, the dizzy(though I swapped the h22 dizzy guts into the f22 body), intake manifold but not throttle body, map sensor, injectors.

Pretty much everything else is the same from the h22. I know the map sensor is reading correctly because we saw it when Blake hooked up his laptop, and he calibrated the tps while getting ready for the first start up.

Could these issues be from the basemap not being complete? Or is there something else going on? I am lost here guys....
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So were the injectors cleaned by a shop (tested) and/or where did they come from? And that spark plug near the top, is the gap correct?

Soot implies a lean condition, which makes sense if not enough fuel is getting in. Symptoms point to dirty injectors as only way gas is getting through is WOT. Without WOT maybe only a trickle...?
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The injectors are brand new and I got the from phearable.net who is very reputable. I don’t think there is anything wrong with the injectors. I gapped the plugs when I first got them and I can’t remember to what, it’s documented here somewhere. I believe it was .28 but that’s me guessing without looking back.
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The injectors are brand new and I got the from phearable.net who is very reputable. I donít think there is anything wrong with the injectors. I tapped the plugged when I first got them I canít remember to what, itís documented here somewhere. I believe it was .28 but thatís me guessing without looking back.
Does the ECT read properly? And TPS?
How does it sound when it does start with WOT?
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Does the ECT read properly? And TPS?
How does it sound when it does start with WOT?
I haven’t hooked it up to my laptop before starting it due to my laptop pooping out on me. I’m going to Best Buy to get a cheap laptop for this. I know TPS was reading initially reading 110% when we first hooked up the laptop, but then blake hit a button and hit calibrated it to 100% at WOT.

For the ECT I’m assuming you mean the engine coolant temp, I didn’t see what the screen looked like when blake was hooked into the Ecu. I’ll check when I get my new laptop tomorrow if it’s reading ECT. It should since they are all brand new sensors or ones that’s were on the H22. I ran the same TPS on the H22a and never touched it transferring the throttle body from the H to the F

On start up it initially sounds like it’s misfiring and only running on 2-3 cyclinder a bit when I can hold it at 2k it sounds normal. I’ll try and get a video of it up tomorrow.
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