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Old 10-26-2007, 10:11 PM   #61
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Um yeah. You apparently are completely unfamiliar with Honda's F series engines.

The F22B1 is a SOHC VTEC engine that pretty much only shares the block with the F22AX found in 1990-1993 Accords.
No, I am completely unfamiliar with the F22B-anything. I am very familiar with the F22Ax. Only time I've even seen a Bx is glancing quickly inside the open engine bay of a 5th-gen in a junkyard while looking fot 4th-gen parts.
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No, I am completely unfamiliar with the F22B-anything. I am very familiar with the F22Ax. Only time I've even seen a Bx is glancing quickly inside the open engine bay of a 5th-gen in a junkyard while looking fot 4th-gen parts.
so whats the problem?
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Old 10-26-2007, 11:35 PM   #63
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F22B1 sucks.
F22B2 sucks less... but still kinda sucks.

F22A is a very strong design.
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Old 10-27-2007, 07:32 AM   #64
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F22B1 sucks.
F22B2 sucks less... but still kinda sucks.

F22A is a very strong design.
So the one with less hp sucks less? Ah, Honda. So smart, yet sometimes you do stupid things.
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Old 10-27-2007, 09:12 AM   #65
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So the one with less hp sucks less? Ah, Honda. So smart, yet sometimes you do stupid things.
no. not stupid. the sohc VTEC were made more for economy than for performance. thats why you wont find alot of aftermarket parts out there. like Deev and others have said before, the f22a series flows better than the f22b. i wouldnt want to get a f22b VTEC due to the fact that its not worth the swap. it has 5HP more to start off with? i can get 5HP from adding on the f22a6 intake manifold. then another 5 from the cam.


oh if anyone is looking for the f22a6 intake manifold i have one for sale
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no. not stupid. the sohc VTEC were made more for economy than for performance. thats why you wont find alot of aftermarket parts out there. like Deev and others have said before, the f22a series flows better than the f22b. i wouldnt want to get a f22b VTEC due to the fact that its not worth the swap. it has 5HP more to start off with? i can get 5HP from adding on the f22a6 intake manifold. then another 5 from the cam.


oh if anyone is looking for the f22a6 intake manifold i have one for sale
I wasn't refering to the f22b vs the f22a there. I was saying the F22B1 (145hp) vs the F22b2 (130hp), since deev said the b2 sucks less than the b1, but the b2 came in the lower-end 5th gens (DX/LX) than the b1 (EX).

Also, I was saying earlier that the b1 has 5 more than the a6, so how can you "add" the a6 intake manifold (or cam) to an engine that already has it?
If you simply mistook what I was saying, I'm sorry. Sometimes my posts aren't as clear to everyone as I think they are when I type them.
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BTW, Shadow1, nice sig. Did you hang out the window for that, or did somebody else while you were driving? Action shots ftw.
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I wasn't refering to the f22b vs the f22a there. I was saying the F22B1 (145hp) vs the F22b2 (130hp), since deev said the b2 sucks less than the b1, but the b2 came in the lower-end 5th gens (DX/LX) than the b1 (EX).

Also, I was saying earlier that the b1 has 5 more than the a6, so how can you "add" the a6 intake manifold (or cam) to an engine that already has it?
If you simply mistook what I was saying, I'm sorry. Sometimes my posts aren't as clear to everyone as I think they are when I type them.

oh. i probaly misread your post. lol. i have a habit of doing that. and yes i hung the cam out the window. i saw everyone else taking pics like that so i wanted to do it too. lol
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Old 10-27-2007, 02:38 PM   #69
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ha ha my a1 to a6 swap is costing me the price of a ecu for 5 spd a6 as soon as i can find 1 i also wonder if u still get a nice gain from the a6 i/m it's almost ready just waiting on highflow cat and to find a ecu if any 1 here knows where i can find 1 please let me know.
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Old 10-27-2007, 08:02 PM   #70
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I honestly don't know too much about the F22B2... but I know the way the VTEC system was worked into the F22B1, the ports are not very free-flowing at all. Since the F22B2 is non-VTEC, I assume it flows better. I don't know how it compares to the F22A.

Add the F22A4 header to the F22A6 engine, and you'll make the same power as the F22B1, probably in a broader range as well.
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Old 10-28-2007, 08:15 PM   #71
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Add the F22A4 header to the F22A6 engine, and you'll make the same power as the F22B1, probably in a broader range as well.
But no VTEC sound! lol
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But no VTEC sound! lol
lol. everyone is hooked on getting VTEC. youll be ok. id rather have a non-VTEC and be faster than to have a VEC thats more for economy. lol
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Old 10-29-2007, 03:15 PM   #73
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I know. I've never actually riden in a car with VTEC, anyway. Unless an '01-ish CRV has it.
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I know. I've never actually riden in a car with VTEC, anyway. Unless an '01-ish CRV has it.
lmao. very true. it would be better to ride in a car that has a B16, B18, or a H22 to get that VTEC to kick in and you actually feel it.
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Old 10-29-2007, 03:23 PM   #75
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Hate to break it to you, but the F22B1 really has no VTEC changeover. Nothing like the DOHC engines that everyone associates with VTEC.
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Hate to break it to you, but the F22B1 really has no VTEC changeover. Nothing like the DOHC engines that everyone associates with VTEC.

yeah. because just like Deev always says, it wasnt made for performance. only for economy.
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SOHC VTEC is significantly different from DOHC VTEC. Same principle, but the implementation is different (intake valves only, for example).
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Best bang for the buck combo of parts. The biggest power adder is easily the H23 IM, I just put the plenum+TB on my A6 and it totally transformed the car, especially on the top end.
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Up that $500 to $1000, and your options increase significantly. Headwork by ESP starts at $250. A Delta camshaft regrind is $120 or so. A P06 ECU is about $75 chipped, though it's only useful if you can tune, or know someone that can. However, with headwork and camshaft, the ECU will find a good deal of power (and fuel economy )

Put Bisimoto parts into the mix, and you're making some real power...
Bisimoto cam gears are $145 for cb7tuners. A reasonable price for the quality.
$50 for an intake manifold gasket.
The header, when it is released, will be quite a performance piece.




Basically, for the price of getting a JDM F22B DOHC swapped in (possibly less), you can make the F22A perform as good or better... without ever removing the block.
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[quote=deevergote]If you want to make power for little money... hit up a junkyard, or www.car-part.com

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F22A6 camshaft - $25 (92-93 Accord EX)

H23A1 intake manifold and throttle body (from a Prelude SI, 92-96 I believe) - $45
F22A6 IAB "black box" (to be able to activate the secondary runners, the intake air bypass, in the H23 manifold) - no price listed... probably $10 or so.


(I was told these mods were done to my motor....anyay i can check?
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