There is absolutely no way to fully correct camber when lowered beyond a certain point without adding clearance. It is a matter of geometry, not poor design on ESP’s part. The upper ball joint must move outward and upward. Even if the arm and joint were to be as compact as possible, it would only allow for a very slight improvement.
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90-93 Accord Adjustable Front Upper Control Arm AKA Camber Kit 4 Degree
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his replies were: I will relay the information to the manufacture of the issue as we are not the manufacture. What I can do in the meantime... Is your alignment already done with the car? Slider plate is where it needs to be? I would mark the slider plate all on the unit so I can re install it in same spot. I would then also mark where the unit is hitting the inner fender well. You may then send it back to me and I will modify and trim it accordingly. The CB chassis can only give what it can give on clearances this is why no one had made a kit for it. What many people do these days is make camber kit steel cover plates for the shock tower for added clearance. I get you do not want to do this so we will trim them accordingly.
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Originally posted by deevergote View PostThere is absolutely no way to fully correct camber when lowered beyond a certain point without adding clearance. It is a matter of geometry, not poor design on ESP’s part. The upper ball joint must move outward and upward. Even if the arm and joint were to be as compact as possible, it would only allow for a very slight improvement.
Ex: you can take a car setup that is lowered 2-3" w/ X camber that does not hit / rub / bang, and install these. I guarantee you they will hit / rub (probably not bang as you are not changing the lowered aspect).
This is 100% ESP design fault. But technically not a design fault as they admitted to not doing Q&A for these.
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Originally posted by deevergote View PostAh, ok. I see what you mean. They’re wider at the point where the ball joint sits, correct? I can see how that would cause issues.
"Still waiting to here back... If anyone wants to try them out. Email Us. If there is any issues manufacture has been willing to alter them. Just need feedback/measurements if any issues."
So maybe folks who rub can providing feedback in here.
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well, upon numerous attempts to insert the three images onto the post unsuccessfully, I give up. So just know if one were to order said product, you would have to cut about an inch or so away from the entire shock tower hump on both sides and weld in two giant sized towers in place plus cut about half inch of fender liner where it hits.
It is impossible to give the product back to him with markings to where the alignment would produce correct camber (looking for -1.0 degree which within oem spec tolerable limits) because it will not get past the liners and towers it is way too long and wide for cb's
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It’s the actual tip of the oem arm that rubs (or the adjustable ball joint added to it, if that’s the camber correction option utilized). A kit that maintains the width of the oem arm would have the same issues. With a wider end, it clearly hits before the tip makes contact, reducing clearance so that it’s nearly unusable in any situation where it would actually be needed.
Ultimately, I don’t feel there really is a way to improve a camber kit for the CB. A quality anchor bolt or quality ball joint kit will do everything that can be done. The problems we’ve all experienced with rubbing is a result of geometry.
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I am working with the Manufacture on a solution. However the Chassis will ONLY give you what it can give. The Fender seam is pretty inward. The Shock Tower Window Plates are becoming more and more common. Especially in the EG/DC.
I am currently working with a Customer that has been very helpful on Pictures, markings and will be for now trimming the End Plate corners to clear. We will finese the Control Arms Trimmage to clear. Thanks
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here is a possible solution by JUN that looks stockish and may work for us..
https://www.junauto.co.jp/gallery/re...pperarm_ek.jpg
looks very close to the stock upper arm imo
Im ordering and giving it a shot
my esp order did not work at all and it sits here collecting dust since john wont take it backLast edited by djALBINI; 07-15-2019, 02:11 PM.
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How do you plan to attach the anchor bolts? Ours go off into a wishbone design, where those are a bolt~Nick~
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