head build

[GhostAccord]

N/A or "real motor" is the only way to go ..... I bought most of my internal block parts from Race Engineering & my head parts from KMS. Do some price/brand comparison shopping. That's what I did and I was able to get better prices on my parts.

[sohc em]

yeah i was lookin into kms also, i found a complete kms valvetrain package for 500. included +1mm. valves, dual action springs, titanium retainers, valve guide seals, and a block guard. but not sure where the block guard comes into play. also i wonder if the block guard would work considering i have an f22b, which is basically an h23 top end and f22 bottom end. also u know of any good sites to look into for valvetrain? i googled it and u gotta weed thru so shit its ridiculous

[GhostAccord]

I say Toss/sell the block guard or ask them to remove it from the package. I still have mine collecting dust. I bought flanged sleeves after I bought my head kit and haven't got around to trying to sell it yet.

The F22A & B / H22 & H23 all have the same exterior cooling passage dimensions. Therefore I'm pretty sure it's a one size fits all block guard. The one I have has H22 engraved into it.... If your going to get one make sure you have it set down inside the block 1/4" and welded in. You have to have the block honed with a tq plate after you install one of these as well.

[turbo90accord]

Looks like I'll be contacting you when the time comes then. The hardest problem for me is finding a somewhat local quality machine shop experienced with Honda engines.

One of the expenses for me that isn't completely necessary will be the AEM pencil coil conversion. I want the adjustability, reliability, and under-hood simplisity of COP and it'll let me put alot of miles on the 230whp block safer than the dizzy setup will, imo.

on a f22 with only 200hp the pencil coil conversion is a big waste of money even if you do want the adjustability, that adjustability may net you 3-4hp over a distributor setup. not worth the hundreds of dollars IMO

[GhostAccord]

AEM EMS - $1800 (or you could go used - still $1000+)
AEM CDI COP - $250/set of 4
AEM EPM - $300
Total - $2350 for an ignition.... Yeah I'll get right on that! Unless you have more money than brains or you are hitting the 400whp @ over 9000 rpm. It's a huge waste of money for a DD or even a street strip motor IMO. Or if your all about the show.

Show me a way that I can get CDI COP to work with a chipped ECU and I'll be all over the idea like a fat kid on smarties. Until then I'll stick with my clunky but reliable distributor.

[wed3k]

yeah i was lookin into kms also, i found a complete kms valvetrain package for 500. included +1mm. valves, dual action springs, titanium retainers, valve guide seals, and a block guard. but not sure where the block guard comes into play. also i wonder if the block guard would work considering i have an f22b, which is basically an h23 top end and f22 bottom end. also u know of any good sites to look into for valvetrain? i googled it and u gotta weed thru so shit its ridiculous

try supertech, KMS is alright and apparently thier customer service is a little out of tune.

if you dont want the blockguard, throw it my way

id be a little hesistant on the oversized valves. it may hurt velocity especially if you dont have boost pushing it through.

[turbo90accord]

Show me a way that I can get CDI COP to work with a chipped ECU and I'll be all over the idea like a fat kid on smarties. Until then I'll stick with my clunky but reliable distributor.

here, found that on honda-t a while ago not much has been said about it though.

[98vtec]

AEM EMS - $1800 (or you could go used - still $1000+)
AEM CDI COP - $250/set of 4
AEM EPM - $300
Total - $2350 for an ignition.... Yeah I'll get right on that! Unless you have more money than brains or you are hitting the 400whp @ over 9000 rpm. It's a huge waste of money for a DD or even a street strip motor IMO. Or if your all about the show.

Show me a way that I can get CDI COP to work with a chipped ECU and I'll be all over the idea like a fat kid on smarties. Until then I'll stick with my clunky but reliable distributor.

[bagoon316]

N/A or "real motor" is the only way to go ..... I bought most of my internal block parts from Race Engineering & my head parts from KMS. Do some price/brand comparison shopping. That's what I did and I was able to get better prices on my parts.

how is the KMS valvetrain, ive read its always hit or miss on there stuff. i have there egr block off, since i got it for 12 shipped.

raceeng is nice cuz they always have deals if you buy in sets/bulk, ie: rod/piston combo. and then sometimes they have sales anyways.

[GhostAccord]

I haven't run my KMS stuff yet. I measured everything including spring seat pressure and bind height and it all specs out.

[bagoon316]

ill have to check ur build thread, i think the last one i ever read was an f22bx with itb's. thanks for the info, cant really beat 499 or whatever there deal is for springs, retainers, and valves. just always read the hit/miss stories about there stuff being crap, or there valves wearing and such. thanks man.

**EDIT** read ur thread/build page, makes me wish i followed through on my itb setup and did some research, i had some repsol 1000 itbs at one point.

[GhostAccord]

here, found that on honda-t a while ago not much has been said about it though.

Actually now that you posted that I remember seeing that back in 08 as well. Never heard anything more from it ether. I remember looking into doing it myself and then just gave up because it's more work than it's worth to me right now.