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Old 08-25-2009, 11:59 PM   #61
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thx deevergote i was thinking about getting this header but its not bisimoto.
http://www.k2motor.com/hh2-acd90-dk.html
why does the bisi header cost so much?

and i already have a catback system i have this one
http://www.k2motor.com/mfcat3acd90.html

i also was thinking about getting a high flow cat

well i looked at the bisi intake manny but wow i dont have that much money thats really expensive.

if i get a ECU should i get the f22a6 one? i would have to take my ECU out huh? where is that on my car? or buy like a good ECU and have it hook up to my extisting ECU so i can just press a button and make it to where i can go back to stock stettings?

really i could eat guys with h22's you dont say. cause i really like the h22 lol
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Old 08-26-2009, 08:43 AM   #62
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The Bisimoto header is a properly engineered piece. That header there is just pipes on a flange. There's a HUGE difference in build quality and power production. In a serious build, a cheap header will hold the motor back considerably.

The intake manifold from Bisimoto is their ITB design, I believe... and yes, anything like that is crazy expensive. That would be one of the last things I'd get from them. Not that it isn't good, but the other parts are more important early on in a build. That is more like icing on the cake!

The ECU is under the passenger side carpet, under the dashboard. Easy to remove. If you're just going to do the F22A6 conversion for now (read my sticky thread in this section about the 30hp gain for $500) then you won't need to worry about going back to stock. Actually, you'll NEVER need to go back to stock with any ECU, as the ECU you should be running should always be appropriate to the modifications done to your motor.
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Old 08-26-2009, 02:28 PM   #63
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ok so its worth the money buying the bisi header?? how much hp would i get outa it??
and there is still a place i can hook my o2 sensor also right?

yea i love that intake manny but wow lol ill get it tho later on.

what is differnet about the f22a6 ECU you know like how is it compared to my f22a1 ECU?
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Old 08-26-2009, 02:44 PM   #64
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Junkyard parts are better. The only new replacement parts you'll find will be inferior aftermarket parts. Used OEM is better.
+1. Junkyard parts are also inexpensive in comparison to those aftermarket parts.
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Old 08-26-2009, 07:19 PM   #65
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ok so its worth the money buying the bisi header?? how much hp would i get outa it??
and there is still a place i can hook my o2 sensor also right?

yea i love that intake manny but wow lol ill get it tho later on.

what is differnet about the f22a6 ECU you know like how is it compared to my f22a1 ECU?
The F22A6 ECU (the PT6) is tuned to work with the slightly wilder F22A6 cam, and the dual-stage intake manifold. Those are the three main components (cam, manifold, and ECU) that make the F22A6 more powerful by the F22A1 by 15hp.

As for the Bisimoto header, it is absolutely worth it. It's difficult to say exactly what sort of gains you'll get, because it varies from motor to motor, as well as with the modifications you have done to it. The power gain will be significant, though... and even more so as you mod your engine further.
If you'd like to do a serious build with the F22A, then getting the Bisimoto header at the discounted price will save you enough off of the original price to get a head ported and polished!

The man that posted above me here is the one to talk to about the header.
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:39 PM   #66
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ok so dont get the bisi cam? or dont get the f22a6 ECU and get a differnet ECU?
and get the f22a6 intake manny for now until i get enough for the bisi one?
would the TB work from the f22a6 on my f22a1?
what is PT6??

robert@bisimoto how much hp do u think ill get out of yall's header on my
f22a1? and i can still hook up my o2 sensor right?
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:57 PM   #67
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Why no to the Bisi cam? You don't need to upgrade the springs or retainers. Then you could take the head off and replace the seals, do a small port job and what not.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:11 PM   #68
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get the bisi cam. get the bisi header. the f22a6 parts will only make your engine into a stock f22a6. they are not performance parts.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:27 PM   #69
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i mean i want the bisi cam that thing is badd. yeah i know it will make it into a stock f22a6 but just more power.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:33 PM   #70
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You can only have one of each part... so your options are to settle for a little power right away, and either live with it forever, or pay more in the future to replace those parts you just installed... or do it right the first time, which will cost more and be slower... but you'll have a MUCH better final project.

I've had my car since 2001. I've done a lot of "for now" projects that have never continued, and I regret it. For the amount of money I wasted on 10 parts that gave minimal gains, I could've bought 3 parts that would've given me more overall. It's just hard to drop so much money for a single part, I know!
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:39 PM   #71
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i feel ya man. thx for the advice you been alot of help.
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Old 08-27-2009, 12:01 AM   #72
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Just accumulate all the parts you want and do it all at once
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Old 08-27-2009, 12:24 AM   #73
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yea i was gonna do that
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Old 08-27-2009, 12:25 AM   #74
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Then you are set, sir.
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Old 08-27-2009, 12:52 AM   #75
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yea now i just got to get the money im dirt broke. i got pay for my tickit and $150 to finish up fixing my car. then gonna buy ceramic pads and i deffently need sway bar link kit they are destroyed on my car. then i gota start saving so i can move i think im gonna need about 2k to move by jan and i have no money save up for moving.
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Any generic "tune", especially from a company, will only dump more fuel into the engine. More fuel does not equal more power... in fact, LESS fuel usually equals more power, until you go too lean.

Companies like this get away with selling those products because they make good initial power... good low end. The butt-dyno is happy.
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Any generic "tune", especially from a company, will only dump more fuel into the engine. More fuel does not equal more power... in fact, LESS fuel usually equals more power, until you go too lean.

Companies like this get away with selling those products because they make good initial power... good low end. The butt-dyno is happy.
as long as the butt dyno is happy, then the fools who buy the products will be happy.

its like if i opened up a shop and offered a performance mod to some customers, they bring me their car. they leave for an hour, i could just advance the timing and charge them $200 and say their car is faster. lol. they wont know any better because they "feel" the car is faster. they dont know the power band was just moved.

i wouldnt suggest getting the bisi header unless your doing a build on your F series. just getting it to put on your bone stock F22a would be kind of pointless unless you have the money to throw down saying " i have a $1k header on my car."

study up on the N/A builds some have done so far. heres a thread on it:
http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=118749

these people have put together some nice builds and gotten some good numbers from them. and theres a couple of them that didnt even touch the bottom end and are pushing at or ABOVE H22a swap numbers to the wheels.

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$629 header

That's why I'm pushing it now. THIS is the time to get one! You could pay $150 for a leaky Megan Racing header that will give no gains, $400 for a DC Sports header that MIGHT give some gains, or $600 for a Bisimoto header that WILL give gains... and any mod to the motor from that point out will be able to take advantage of it.
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