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Old 05-14-2013, 10:43 PM   #1
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Herroh cb7tuner. Im new afff

Im a total noob. Well... Not a total noob but I have a lottt to learn.
Sooo, heres my pitch.

I was in the lifted truck scene for a while (i blame where i grew up), long story short around the end of 2012 i was ready for a change. So I traded my truck on a whim for some beat down civic with b20 swap in it because I didnt know any better. Some months and about 1000 bucks later I come to find some hidden structural issues. Sold that and now Ive got myself a much more sound project (or I hope so at least). Cb9 wagon for my daily, shes super ugly though so I wont post her up lol.







Its got an h23 with an h22 vtec head. Stage 2 Crower cams, gutted manifold and plenum, 450cc injectors, and its sittin on koni yellows.

Where Im at right now; Straightened out my core support, New radiator and slim fans, addressed some vacuum leaks, and bad spark plugs, Im going to try puttin factory injectors on it and see if it helps it not flood out so we can get it to idle. We've played with the distributor timing a little bit, if the injectors dont work im gonna play with the cam timing. Right now theres still alot that Im unsure of. Any tips or advice is greatly appreciated!
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:47 PM   #2
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:02 PM   #3
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I said I wasnt gonna post the wagon haha. Shes ugly and stock af. I just picked it up so i could have a daily for the time being
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:02 PM   #4
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Swap that shit frankenstein engine out for something good, and you've got yourself a nice car.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:03 PM   #5
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You no likes mah frankenstein?
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:04 PM   #6
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Unreliable, not functional... not to mention that gutted intake manifold is crap. 450cc injectors are overdoing it, even for the Crower Stage 2 cams (the only thing out of the whole engine worth a damn.)


Sorry, I used to be nice... but then I got old and grumpy.
Those "creative" engines are fine if the car is a toy, which this one seems to be... but they're not effective combinations.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:08 PM   #7
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So you bought TWO accords?
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:08 PM   #8
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Well... you guys sure know how to make a guy feel welcome. lol... anything constructive for me? Like what i can to do make it more reliable? And something that doesnt just sound like $$$$$
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:09 PM   #9
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So you bought TWO accords?
Yes... Seperate transactions but yes. I bought the one pictured, not realizing how much work it was gonna require to be road worthy, and picked up the stock wagon for cheap for the time being
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:12 PM   #10
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If you want it to be reliable, replace that engine with a proper F22A or H22A. The Stage 2 cams can be used, provided you have upgraded valvesprings. Get a proper intake manifold, not that gutted shit that kills your low end (isn't that the whole purpose of the "big" H23 block, afterall?) Use injectors properly sized for your application... and if they're larger than necessary, you'll need a tunable ECU (no stock ECU is going to run an engine correctly on larger injectors.)

And I said you had a nice car! Just that your engine sucked
Not attacking. Just being honest. I've seen far too many noobs come in here all excited about their frankenstein engines, and then disappear with a "this car sucks! I'm going back to Civics!" when they blow up. And they ALWAYS blow up.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:19 PM   #11
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Dont get me wrong any help/advice is gonna be taken into consideration. Im just trying to work with what ive got so to speak. So not to be a smart ass or ill-informed, but my buddy thats been helping me with the whole ordeal had said that he read up on the gutted intake thing before i made the final decision to buy the car, and that it made like 10 more hp than just the stock one. And i do have a programmable ecu i just havent taken it to the tune shop because i want to address as much as i can myself before i pay out the ass for a shop to do it
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:23 PM   #12
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:26 PM   #13
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thank you... i needed that. haha
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:55 PM   #14
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Mike, how is an H-series head on an H-series block a "frank"? Don't you have to do some inter-series mating to make it so?
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:59 PM   #15
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To the OP: With the combination of parts you are running; stock (?) H23 block and pistons, higher lift cams, and the big injectors, you defiantly need to tune the car.
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:04 AM   #16
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Accrdwgnguy im planning on taking it to someone for an ecu tune, i just want to adjust as much of the "mechanical" tuning myself as best i can to save myself the money on labor. Thats why we're going to swap on some stock injectors for the time being, try to get the idle right, and then take it to the shop and have them tune it for the bigger injectors. Am i far off?
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:09 AM   #17
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I would put the stock injectors in (345cc IIRC) and take it for the tune with those in. Your tuner will be able to advise you if the larger injectors are needed in the course of tuning.
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:18 AM   #18
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Will do, I think the injectors my buddy had that he was just gonna give me are like 270cc so ill have to check on that but thanks for your contribution sir.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:06 PM   #19
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Mike, how is an H-series head on an H-series block a "frank"? Don't you have to do some inter-series mating to make it so?
If you're combining two engines, it's a frankenstein.

The H23A1 block is not equipped with oil squirters, so if you attempt to rev to H22A RPMs to take advantage of that head, you'll run the risk of overheating the pistons (which will lead to premature failure... cracked pistons, broken ringlands, etc...) The H23A1 internals aren't meant to be revved very high anyway. Additionally, the H23A1 internals will result in a lower compression ratio. So basically, what is gained from the increase in displacement is lost in the decrease in compression.
Not to mention, a frank is often built by an amateur... and that alone introduces a host of potential problems! ESPECIALLY if someone else did it, because you don't know exactly what was done, nor do you have the experience to recognize or diagnose a potential problem before it becomes... well... boom.

As for the gutted intake manifold... I have never seen any conclusive evidence supporting such a claim. All a gutted manifold does is stuff a bunch of turbulent air into a huge plenum that just dumps into the head when the valves open. A high velocity stream of air would create a much better air/fuel mixture in the combustion chamber (which is why such things as velocity stacks, IAB system, and long cold air intake tubes are effective.)
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:32 PM   #20
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So what if we set the rev limit to the stock h23 standards and dropped the vtec engagement? I'm just spit ballin based on what my buddy and I talked about.
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