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Old 04-15-2017, 05:57 PM   #21
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Old 04-15-2017, 06:24 PM   #22
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Old 04-15-2017, 08:52 PM   #23
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Old 04-19-2017, 08:52 PM   #24
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Old 04-19-2017, 10:26 PM   #25
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Overrated. Ain't care.

My thoughts exactly. I'm too focused on daily life and my own stuff to care about bench racing someone else's car.

I was turned away from the Hellcat by the general attitude of those in the car community enough to have a slight bias against anything similar that comes out. The new Vette, Hellcat, Demon, Mustang, it doesn't matter. As soon as I see the first commercial or advertisement I'm already sick of hearing about it while it seems as though most of the car community already have their war hammers out.

The car is fast. Cool, let's enjoy it! But not so quick. It seems like that's not what it's about. Why does it always have to be so much more than that? Like, we get it. No need to bring out the scrolls. I feel like The Borg are trying to assimilate me or someone has my arm trying to get me to say uncle. I say this to be funny of course but... it's a pretty good description of my experience.

It's just the Hellcat all over again. Ooh's and Aah's. Then something else comes out and everyone's beating their drums again.*yawn*

But that's just me. I don't have to have the newest phone, the fastest car or be the quarterback. I'm not in it for a reason that would make such appease me. At this point big ego's in the car community make me wanna puke.

Arguing and boasting isn't my hobby. I just like cars man.
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Old 04-20-2017, 05:20 AM   #26
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I agree with H311RA151N. They are so close in size, HP, weight that to me they're all pretty much the same. The camero/hellcat was an eye opener when it came out but now everyone and their grandma has one and I'm sick fo seeing them. Like ford coming out with a new mustang I don't even look anymore.

As for the HP, anyone with 400+ HP is breaking the law. Period. You're not grandma'n the thing your whole life. You probably broke the law the first drive home with it, haha. It's the reason for buying it. The cb7 I have now has 410HP and while it still makes me a little nervous sometimes I am use to it now. I now want more. As the HP increases you find roads, bends, and situations where this amount of HP comes in handy. Whether it's merging on to a busy highway and need the extra power in a blink of an eye or driving on a twisty uphill road.

I still remember driving up this on-ramp doing 60mph near the end of it, shoulder checked to find two 18-wheelers side by side (two lanes) with a crazy amount of cars behind them in both lanes. My choices were to slow down and try to merge in that mess, stop, or drop a gear and hammer time! I was thankful for the HP at that moment
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Old 04-20-2017, 04:27 PM   #27
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As for the HP, anyone with 400+ HP is breaking the law. Period. You're not grandma'n the thing your whole life. You probably broke the law the first drive home with it, haha. It's the reason for buying it.
I broke the law a lot more in my old 150hp Neon than I ever have with an SRT or Hellcat. I constantly speed in my Jeep. Yea, a faster car can get you to break the law easier, but if you're the person to do it you're going to do it regardless of what you're driving.
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Old 04-21-2017, 07:52 PM   #28
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And as far as the last comment, take a RWD car off equal weight and power and the RWD wins. I know both sides, if you follow my build thread I've invested serious dough in building a competitive track car. But I have to have more grip and more power than a RWD. It's all about the traction circle. A RWD ceteris peribus, has a much rounder circle.
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I was never under the delusion that FWD, on even power:weight footing, was better than (or even equal to) RWD. I just meant that putting real power through the front wheels these days without completely ruining the handling isn't nearly as true as it used to be. But then, you know that.




Weight figures found at Wiki, however accurate that might be. MR2 had to have been modified for that power. R32 GT-Rs, in reality, made about 324ps (320hp) at the crank.

ITR 200ps /~2400lbs depending on year = 12 lbs/ps
S14 Ks 220ps/2762lbs = 12.55 lbs/ps
MR2 GT-S 245ps/2777lbs = 11.33 lbs/ps
GC WRX 260ps/2734lbs = 10.51 lbs/ps
R32 GT-R 280ps; real 324ps/3153lbs = 9.73 lbs/ps

Clearly there's more to performance than just power-to-weight.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:33 PM   #29
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Old 04-22-2017, 05:41 AM   #30
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I'm about that dodge demon tho. For most of my life if I where to spend about 100 thousand doll hairs it's an amg. These have been the muscle car to me and basically sleepers. 99% of people don't know your cls runs 11's. I think that's NHRA illegal too without a helmet.
A wheelie though? Ok sold, Merica makes the best muscle car for the first time in 45 years.
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Weight figures found at Wiki, however accurate that might be. MR2 had to have been modified for that power. R32 GT-Rs, in reality, made about 324ps (320hp) at the crank.

ITR 200ps /~2400lbs depending on year = 12 lbs/ps
S14 Ks 220ps/2762lbs = 12.55 lbs/ps
MR2 GT-S 245ps/2777lbs = 11.33 lbs/ps
GC WRX 260ps/2734lbs = 10.51 lbs/ps
R32 GT-R 280ps; real 324ps/3153lbs = 9.73 lbs/ps

Clearly there's more to performance than just power-to-weight.
I meant all else equal. Obviously power and weight aren't everything. If you have two cars with identical axle weights, identical suspension tuning, and identical kinematics, but one is FWD vs RWD, the RWD will have a larger area within the friction circle. If I believed a FWD car couldn't be faster than competitive RWD cars I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing with mine.
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Old 04-22-2017, 03:38 PM   #32
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It's a very fast production car meant for straight line racing. It's a way for FCA to flex their muscles a bit, and they have big muscles! Anyone that buys this for actual competitive drag has a good base to start from. Once they gut the emissions stuff and lighten it up a bit I think it could go deeper in the 9's without even touching the engine.

I love the 18" rims and fat tires on the Demon.
I love that it comes standard with only a driver's seat.

Just for reference, according to this article from KSTuned, it takes $74,172 to get 1200HP in a SFWD...and "only" runs mid 8's...and isn't street legal...and doesn't come with a warranty.
https://www.kstuned.com/blogs/knowle...hp-cost-part-1
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Old 04-22-2017, 03:56 PM   #34
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I would also hope they actually install a cage too!

So more cool stuff...The Dodge guys pretty much admit that they know people will molest this car even more:

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Pfff, this is the internet, dude. Opinions are fact, and bench racing translates directly to the real world.


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I meant all else equal. Obviously power and weight aren't everything. If you have two cars with identical axle weights, identical suspension tuning, and identical kinematics, but one is FWD vs RWD, the RWD will have a larger area within the friction circle. If I believed a FWD car couldn't be faster than competitive RWD cars I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing with mine.
But that identical suspension tuning thing would never happen. You'd end up with either a FWD tuned for a RWD layout or vice versa, or some sloppy middle-ground, no? I don't consider optimizing for either drivetrain, to the same degree of performance on each one, is the same as identical tuning.

I'm not trying to argue anything, by the way, I hope you're not taking my comments that way; just conversation at this point.
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Seriously though. Drag slicks, less emission friendly exhaust and intake mods then caged and you can legally run 9's. Do you guys think that it could gain the 10 more mph in the trap speed that wound make a parachute needed with those minimal mods? After 150 mph you need one chute even if your car has more stopping power than a viper.

Maybe Chevy and ford will build equal competition and the fed will have to add quarter mile crash testing.
I have been enamoured by this dodge demon.
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Well, there is the 1000hp 2016 Mustang Cobra Jet that runs legal 8s... but it's not street legal.



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Best pass to date in factory trim was 8.98 at 152 mph - Budds Creek, MD (MIR)
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Dodge probably left the cage out of the Demon to keep it street legal. It's the one thing the car's got over the Cobra Jet.
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Dodge probably left the cage out of the Demon to keep it street legal. It's the one thing the car's got over the Cobra Jet.
They left the cage out of the car because it was too expensive to re cert the impact testing. It's also not safe to drive a caged car without a helmet, so selling a street car with a cage is down right dangerous. Not everybody who buys one is not going to take it to the drag strip.

Also, don't compare a Cobra Jet to a Demon, compare it to a Drag Pak which has been running 8s for years. Being street legal isn't the only difference. The Demon is a real car with HVAC, entertainment, comfortable seats, and other street car stuff. The Cobra Jet and Drag Pak are straight up race cars.
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Honestly, the Demon is quite possibly an indication that cars have finally reached street limits. The simple fact that you could never take that car to a "street night" at a drag strip (at least not for more than one pass, if they let you in at all) means it has basically exceeded the limits of what a street car "should" do. It's too fast to run on a drag strip without a cage. A cage would make it unsafe for use on the street. Using that power on public roads, at least where I live, would be difficult... and you'd far exceed the legal speed limit in the blink of an eye. This car goes to eleven, simply to go to eleven. And that's why people will buy it.

Imagine if someone told you 20, 15, hell, even 10 years ago that a sub-$100,000 car (even in the valuation of those days) would get you 850hp, sub-10-second quarter mile passes, and still retain everything necessary to make it a viable street car with no significant compromises. You'd laugh. That sort of thing was limited to supercars, and most of those probably didn't even go that fast!

The Demon is not for everybody. If I had $85,000 or so to spend on a car, I don't know that it would be at the top of my list. I might drive one just to see... but there are other cars that appeal to me more, despite being slower and less powerful. But whether it's your taste or not, there is absolutely no denying that it is a milestone in showroom stock performance vehicles. The Hellcat was as well.
I wonder if Dodge is going to be the first to release an "affordable" 1,000hp car. I bet it'll happen.
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