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Old 04-20-2017, 04:39 PM   #1
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Responsive steering to left but much less than to right?

I have a 92 accord ex coupe 5 speed and i just installed struts and uca's on both sides along with steering rack, inner and outer tie rods. I also just got it aligned along with new tires. My steering is much more responsive now turning both ways but turning to the right it is much less. What would cause this. I might of not installed the uca arm on front passengers(maybe torqued too low) side correctly so i figured it might be this. I would think steering to the right though the front drivers side uca would have more of an effect on responsiveness. Anyone know?
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Old 04-20-2017, 06:21 PM   #2
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Is it steering response (tires time reaction to steering input), steering sensitivity (cornering force of tire given steering angle), steering effort (torque on the steering wheel at a given angle), or steering damping (torque on the steering wheel given the rate of change of the steering wheel)?
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:23 PM   #3
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Is it steering response (tires time reaction to steering input), steering sensitivity (cornering force of tire given steering angle), steering effort (torque on the steering wheel at a given angle), or steering damping (torque on the steering wheel given the rate of change of the steering wheel)?
Sorry did not realize there was so many steering term assessment words. Steering sensitivity i would say. The resistance you feel when you turn the wheel. Turning left feels more right as i can more feel the tires turning. I just assumed that was called responsiveness. So i hope this better explains things.
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Old 04-21-2017, 05:35 AM   #4
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Alignment. Assuming all the parts are good. Does the car roll perfectly straight on a flat road with the wheel dead center? Idk when I think different steering left and right I think alignment.
I know you replaced the rack, that included new inner and outer tie rods right? New uca's....did you do the lower ball joints? They would not affect steering really but one good one and one bad one may make one side feel tighter.
Does the steering have this affect when at a standstill?
Maybe you have air in that rack still. With the car running turn the wheel all the way left,pause all the way right,pause a few times while making sure your reservoir stays full. That's Honda fluid in there right?
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Old 04-22-2017, 02:31 AM   #5
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Alignment. Assuming all the parts are good. Does the car roll perfectly straight on a flat road with the wheel dead center? Idk when I think different steering left and right I think alignment.
I know you replaced the rack, that included new inner and outer tie rods right? New uca's....did you do the lower ball joints? They would not affect steering really but one good one and one bad one may make one side feel tighter.
Does the steering have this affect when at a standstill?
Maybe you have air in that rack still. With the car running turn the wheel all the way left,pause all the way right,pause a few times while making sure your reservoir stays full. That's Honda fluid in there right?
I just got a 4 wheel alignment. I did not replace the lower ball joints even though they do need to be replaced at some point in time(i can here them creaking). yes it is honda mtf fluid. I will try to see if there is air in rack and get it out but i don't think that is the problem.
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Old 04-22-2017, 04:49 AM   #6
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If you hear the lbj's creaking new ones will feel tighter. Does steering input feel different when the car is stopped?
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:55 PM   #7
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If you hear the lbj's creaking new ones will feel tighter. Does steering input feel different when the car is stopped?
Only when driving do i feel that. It's the front lower ball joints i believe. Am changing those this week. Probably going to pay my mechanic 150 to do it.
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Old 05-10-2017, 07:28 PM   #8
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Do you have the values after the alignment? they usually give you a graph or papers with the numbers before and after; i am almost certain that there is a caster difference from one side to another and most shops align for camber and toe but will not touch caster
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Old 05-12-2017, 01:12 AM   #9
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Do you have the values after the alignment? they usually give you a graph or papers with the numbers before and after; i am almost certain that there is a caster difference from one side to another and most shops align for camber and toe but will not touch caster
yes they gave me alignment values. I will have to look at it. I am changing the front lower ball joints soon. Will this effect my alignment. The shop told me they would have to charge me again for alignment(grrrrr).
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Old 05-12-2017, 05:36 AM   #10
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You should be able to change the lbj's without affecting alignment. Just don't spin your tie rods.
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:24 AM   #11
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Personally, I always get an alignment whenever I do anything at all suspension related. Even small changes can result in uneven tire wear. An alignment is cheaper than new tires!
I got a lifetime alignment package at Firestone for about $200. As long as I owned the car, I could take it in for an alignment free of charge after paying that one-time fee. I'm not sure if they (or anyone else) still offers something like that, but it's definitely a good deal. With today's alignment prices, it pays for itself after two visits!

Anyway, inspect all of your components first. Look at your ball joints (replace any joints with torn boots... assume dirt got in the grease and damaged the joint, because that is highly likely.) Check your tie rods for play. Inspect your tires, and ensure they are properly inflated and have sufficient tread.
Pop the hood and have someone turn your wheel back and forth while the car is running. Listen for any odd sounds.
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:12 PM   #12
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Yes, Firestone still offers that deal. I just got the lifetime deal at the location near me (Maryland). The tech who did my alignment was a Honda guy as well so we ended up talking for a while & he gave me the lifetime alignment deal for $189.00. Gotta love the other members of the Honda community!
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Good deal!
The only downside to Firestone is that you may or may not have a moron doing the alignment. Those places sometimes have truly knowledgeable, experienced techs... but just as often they have idiots that have difficult spelling their own names. Getting to know a specific tech and going to that person exclusively is the best way to go about it.
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Old 05-12-2017, 06:30 PM   #14
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Firestone where i live are just a bunch of crooks. I do have a 1 year alignment thing with them but still took it to another shop when i got my last alignment.
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I still wonder if you feel a difference in left to right when the car is at a standstill. How about off without power steering assist.?
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I still wonder if you feel a difference in left to right when the car is at a standstill. How about off without power steering assist.?
At a stand still i don't feel any difference in turning the wheel to right or left with or without power assist. Only driving and i think it is my lower ball joints causing this sensation. Also small potholes seem to more easily shift my steering wheel while driving. Wouldn't this also be lbj related. LBJ's are bad. Am sure of it. Boot is cracked and who knows how long its been like that. 5 yrs at least probably. This is kind of cool understanding more how a car works. I wonder why my mechanic could not tell me this. Rog man, if the steering is this then its your uca or lbj, whatever u know. Makes sense lbj's have to do with a certain amount of steering grip maybe and sensitivity to wheel. I think the passenger side is just worst than Drivers.Or vice versa, who knows. I'll know by next weekend. This weekend is my egr port job.
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Your mechanic could not say because there is not much evidence behind a bad ball joint effecting steering feel. Theoretically if it's lose enough on turn in it could effect camber making int feel like it's turning easier one way I guess. Nobody has studies on it cause ball joints are cheep and take maybe 25 mins to an hour tops to change.
Fact is if your steering is this or that there are a couple easy answers but if it's not those it could be a lot of things......a whole lot.
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:40 PM   #18
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Replaced the front lbj's and all is good with feel of the wheel. Nice, tight and responsive. Now i have to do front rotors and pads. Just realized driving down a mountain that my rotors are warped. I know i should of had them replaced with lbj's but that is life.
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