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Old 02-17-2018, 04:25 PM   #1
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H22a ignition timing issue.

I bought a 92 accord with an obd1 h22a that someone else swapped in. It ran terrible when I first got it, but I've been slowly fixing everything that is wrong with it. One thing I have not been abe to figure out is the ignition timing. I put a new distributor on because I was getting a code 4 which is a CKP sensor. It starts and idles fine. I set the idle according to the DIY and went to set the ignition timing. I put a paperclip in the service connector. The light showed it was firing at TDC, however when I gave it a little gas, say 1500 RPM, it goes to the 15 degree mark, but I cannot get it to 15 degrees on idle. Any suggestions?
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:08 PM   #2
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I bought a 92 accord with an obd1 h22a that someone else swapped in. It ran terrible when I first got it, but I've been slowly fixing everything that is wrong with it. One thing I have not been abe to figure out is the ignition timing. I put a new distributor on because I was getting a code 4 which is a CKP sensor. It starts and idles fine. I set the idle according to the DIY and went to set the ignition timing. I put a paperclip in the service connector. The light showed it was firing at TDC, however when I gave it a little gas, say 1500 RPM, it goes to the 15 degree mark, but I cannot get it to 15 degrees on idle. Any suggestions?
Not my territory but isn't our timing static?
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:48 PM   #3
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What ECU are you running?
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:55 PM   #4
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what Ecu Are You Running?
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:57 PM   #5
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Not my territory but isn't our timing static?
That's what I thought!?
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Old 02-19-2018, 02:47 AM   #6
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Aftermarket distributor? maybe need to slot the holes and get some more adjustment in it.

Have you checked cam timing?

And yes ignition timing will change with rpm, load, throttle position, temperature etc.

Is the ecu chipped at all?

Are you sure its a blacktop flywheel? Euro R flywheels are 12 degree.
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Old 02-22-2018, 02:58 PM   #7
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Aftermarket distributor? maybe need to slot the holes and get some more adjustment in it.

Have you checked cam timing?

And yes ignition timing will change with rpm, load, throttle position, temperature etc.

Is the ecu chipped at all?

Are you sure its a blacktop flywheel? Euro R flywheels are 12 degree.
Where did you find info that said Euro R is at 12?
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Old 02-24-2018, 11:15 PM   #8
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Aftermarket distributor? maybe need to slot the holes and get some more adjustment in it.

Have you checked cam timing?

And yes ignition timing will change with rpm, load, throttle position, temperature etc.

Is the ecu chipped at all?

Are you sure its a blacktop flywheel? Euro R flywheels are 12 degree.
It is an aftermarket replacement distributor, however it was doing the same thing with the old distributor. Ill check the cam timing. I can see the "15" on the flywheel so I'm pretty sure it is correct. As far as I can tell the ECU has not been messed with, but I can't completely rule it out because the previous owner might have done something stupid to it seeing the rest of his work on the swap... I'm kind of leaning towards the ECU being the problem. I took the car out for a drive and it has no power and does not like getting up in the rpms. It kind of feels like a limp mode. I know that Hondas don't like aftermarket ignition components but sourcing an OEM h22a internal coil distributor proved a bit difficult for me. I'm kinda thinking of doing the external coil modification so I can use a USDM distributor. I'm open to any suggestions! The ultimate plan is to take the H out of that car and put it in mine. I already have everything to refresh the engine while it is out but I want to get it running properly in the car it is in before I rip it out.
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Old 03-11-2018, 03:17 PM   #9
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H22 ignition timing is at 15 degrees before top dead center (red mark) on idle. Top dead center is the white mark. So your timing light should be spotting on the red mark on idle when your motor has correct ignition timing...

And yes Euro-R fly timing mark is at 12 degrees BTDC.
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:55 AM   #10
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I should be able to source a USDM h22a1 distributor and it plug right in with the f22a6 external coil wiring, correct? I threw the old distributor back on just to see what would happen. I could properly set the timing and it ran good until it threw code 4 again, which is why I needed to replace it in the first place. So the problem is definately in the aftermarket replacement distributor. I think I could find an oem USDM distributor much easier than a JDM one. Would it work? Just run external coil?
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Old 03-22-2018, 01:55 PM   #11
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Was the distributor you put on it a new one?
Have you tried another internal coil distributor? I literally am running an internal coil distributor from ebay & I have not had any issues.
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Old 04-21-2018, 08:20 PM   #12
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Got the problem solved. Still not quite sure what exactly the problem was, other than it did not like the aftermarket distributor. I ended up doing the external coil DIY where you take all the internals out of an F22 distributor and put it in the h22 housing. Running external coil now, and set the timing perfect.
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