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Old 12-02-2019, 08:27 AM   #21
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It's getting there. Almost done cleaning.

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Old 12-02-2019, 03:33 PM   #22
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Looking good - get an old tooth brush to get into the nooks and crannies.
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Old 12-02-2019, 10:55 PM   #23
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Yessir, that was my plan. A little diesel and a nylon brush.

No more cleaning today, but I did get the clutch and pressure plate off to inspect. Ugh.

Photography isn't my strong suit, but you can see the minor discoloration on the flywheel's surface.


The hairline cracks all along the inner diameter were more concerning.


That's odd, what is this little trail in the pressure plate?


Oh.


According to the service manual, the minimum for clutch thickness is 6.1mm. There's actually a service limit for the clutch rivets' depth as well, but we're way past that obviously since they were eating into the pressure plate.
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Old 12-03-2019, 10:09 AM   #24
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Rear Main condition

Definitely needs replacement.
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Old 12-03-2019, 11:53 AM   #25
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I think I got away with having my flywheel resurfaced the first time I changed the clutch in Ruby; second time I think I replaced it.
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Old 12-04-2019, 10:53 PM   #26
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I took the flywheel to get machined earlier today, and they said it wasn't bad at all. They only had to take .008" off the face to get it ready.

So that's ready. I got the main seal girdle off today as I'm going to replace the whole thing with the Honda piece that has the seal already in place. I thought it was neat that the seal is pre-lubed.


Just need to scrape off a little crud (possibly a little factory Hondabond?)


I'm curious as to if I need to add a bit behind the plate. Anyone know if this paper gasket is necessary? They were included in the Fel-Pro rear main seal kit.
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Old 12-06-2019, 05:02 PM   #27
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So I asked the question about the paper gasket because, surprise surprise, someone did this before and they omitted it. There is supposed to be one, per the service manual. Maybe that's why it ended up leaking? I don't know.

In any case I installed the new seal housing after first doing the paper gasket, then cleaned the oil pan up and installed that with a new gasket.



After that I reinstalled the flywheel, fresh from resurfacing. Torque the bolts to 76 lb-ft, kids.
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Current mileage: 422679 11/21/19

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Old 12-06-2019, 09:14 PM   #28
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Just out of curiosity. Did you replace the flywheel nuts? The manual calls for it but I know I have done a couple clutch replacements and used the same nuts.
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Old 12-07-2019, 07:15 AM   #29
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So I asked the question about the paper gasket because, surprise surprise, someone did this before and they omitted it. There is supposed to be one, per the service manual. Maybe that's why it ended up leaking? I don't know.

In any case I installed the new seal housing after first doing the paper gasket, then cleaned the oil pan up and installed that with a new gasket.

After that I reinstalled the flywheel, fresh from resurfacing. Torque the nuts to 76 lb-ft, kids.
My 93 OEM Honda service manual only calls for Hondabond between the block and rear main seal plate.

Felpro makes gaskets for some applications where maybe folks are uncomfortable using just Hondabond. I know I did when reinstalling the oil pan gasket on my daughter's Element - it was difficult to work with getting the pan on and I thought the gasket would be a little more forgiving of inadvertent contact with other parts as I tried to install the pan. I put of thin layer of Hondabond on both sides of the gasket as well. I did not do that for the timing cover.
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Old 12-07-2019, 01:48 PM   #30
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You know what, you're right. I triple checked and the manual makes no mention of a gasket. It just shows that picture of the area to apply sealer, which coincidentally looks just like the gasket In any case I don't think it will hurt to have the gasket in there.

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Just out of curiosity. Did you replace the flywheel nuts? The manual calls for it but I know I have done a couple clutch replacements and used the same nuts.
No I did not. I'd seen mention of doing so on this forum, but my '91 service manual makes no mention of it, or using threadlocker as others have done.
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Current mileage: 422679 11/21/19

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Old 12-08-2019, 08:13 AM   #31
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I remember using the paper gasket the first time I ever did this job. I remember them leaking after not too long. Had to take it all back apart and Hondabond it. I've always Hondabonded the rear plate and the oil pump to the block since that incident.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:45 PM   #32
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I've only done two clutch replacements on our cars. Both times I reused the original clutch/flywheel hardware, (bolts), with no thread locker and just torqued to spec. I've experienced no problems.
As for the rear main seal housing, I'll second using the Hondabond and chunk that paper gasket.
That housing only requires clean surfaces and a sealer.

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Old 12-13-2019, 10:44 PM   #33
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I received my new clutch, pressure plate, and rubber clutch line the other day. I'll be installing these along with a new clutch slave and master next week.


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Old 12-15-2019, 12:57 AM   #34
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Nice progress and attention to detail on the rear side of the engine. That clutch was knarfed! Exedy is where it is at!

BTW, what is a fleek?
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Old 12-15-2019, 10:02 AM   #35
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Thanks af. That word is part of a phrase kids were using g a little while back when they wanted to say something was cool. They'd say something was "on fleek " lol.

About the car, it's moving right along. Just a few more parts to collect.
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Current mileage: 399450 5/18/2020

My '92 LX build. Bought Novemeber 2019. http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthre...91#post3293791
Current mileage: 422679 11/21/19

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Old 02-19-2020, 08:52 AM   #36
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So now that Christmas bills are over and past me, I've started buying more parts. Man, it's like the more I wait, the more I see wrong and have to fix. You know how it is.

Anyway, I just wanted to share a clipped post I saw elsewhere in the brake rotor-over-hub thread in case anyone else has been thinking of upgrading their brakes.

I already have a set of new CB7 calipers, so I'll be using Acura CL 2.3 hubs, bearings and rotors with the stock calipers and EBC black pads in line with what aero365 did. I'll be getting the calipers powdercoated here soon.

Until the rest of my parts arrive, I'm going to try and change out the power steering rack first. Stay tuned for that.

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Ok folks, upon looking at tons of info of brakes, and remembering the headaches i got just trying to find out one bit of information, i have created this thread....hopefully for simplicity.

this is how it's going to work. I want you people that have done brake upgrades (rotor over hub, larger rotors, better calipers, etc.) to post DESCRIPTIVELY what yo have. Part numbers would be awesome....

Parts that are proven the same:
4th gen front knuckle - 5th gen front knuckle - 98 CL 4 cyl front knuckle
4th/5th gen front wheel bearings - 98-99 Acura CL 2.3 front wheel bearings
98-02 Accord V6 front calipers - 98+ Integra Type R calipers
98-02 Accord V6 front rotors - 98+ Integra Type R front rotors
98-02 Accord V6 rear rotors - 98+ Integra Type R rear rotors

Parts that are not the same:
4th gen rear knuckle - 5th gen rear knuckle
98 4cyl Hub - 98-99 CL 4cyl Hub

SETUPS:
lightningd - 5th gen
4th gen front knuckle
5th gen wheel bearings
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Steel braided lines

kapao818 - ??? gen
Stainless Steel Lines
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Brembo Blanks
EBC Greenstuff Pads

Gennady - 4th gen Prelude Si 4WS
93 Prelude VTEC 11.1" Rotors
94 Legend GS 2-piston Calipers
93 Prelude VTEC 23T Caliper Brackets
93 Prelude VTEC 1" Master Cylinder

aero3685 - 4th gen
99 Acura CL 2.3 Hub
99 Acura CL 2.3 Rotors
99 Acura CL 2.3 Bearings
91 Accord Calipers
91 Accord Pads

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Old 03-11-2020, 11:35 PM   #37
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What's up guys!

So yesterday I finally got around to replacing the steering rack with a unit remanufactured by Honda. I had no idea Honda ever did such a thing, but it gives me way more confidence in this repair than picking up a unit from the local parts store. A big thanks goes out to Fleetwood for selling me his unit. I also just called a dealer that advertises the remanu'ed parts, and confirmed they no longer offer racks.

Oh boy, was this thing was leaking everywhere. For the record I was not heavy-handed getting it removed. Both boots were already ripped up pretty good.



I think the cable reel may have been bad, as the horn only worked intermittently. Since I had to have the wheel off to replace the reel, I took the opportunity to replace the wheel with a nice minty one. My original was starting to separate at the top, and the horn buttons were worn off.
Out with the old:


And in with the new. This wheel supposedly came from a car with 86K miles on it. I believe it.


Unfortunately the cruise control buttons are all worn away, so I'm looking for some of those too.

Tomorrow I'm shooting to get the clutch slave and rubber line replaced, as well as installing my new clutch and refaced pressure plate. If I have time I'm going to finish up the timing belt side of things.
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Current mileage: 422679 11/21/19

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Old 03-13-2020, 08:20 PM   #38
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You're welcome for the rack, I bought them when I realized they were available and I could get them for about the same price as buying all the Honda seals, boots, and inner tie rod ends to rebuild one myself; I have one more for Ruby. First though, my clutch is slipping after only about 74,000 miles - I usually get 150k+.

Hang on to the old rack, you can get a rebuild kit and keep it as a spare just in case (or for another vehicle).
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Old 03-16-2020, 11:03 AM   #39
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So u/Dreamability came over to help me disassemble my fogs and I'm very happy with their current condition. Other than a little spotting on the main body of the reflector, there an eensy teensy bit of surface rust on the outer pieces. I sanded the long flat pieces on both reflectors and painted them with some chrome paint. I think they look a lot better now. Not perfect, but much better.



The original chrome isn't perfect, but it's still so nice I don't want to cover it all up with paint. If they were already bad, sure. But these are way too nice.

We also took to the lenses with some polish to take out the big imperfections, which aren't many. I'm thinking I may cover them in yellow vinyl.

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Current mileage: 399450 5/18/2020

My '92 LX build. Bought Novemeber 2019. http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthre...91#post3293791
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Old 03-18-2020, 06:54 AM   #40
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I would've finished up the timing belt last night, but I'd misplaced the special shouldered bolts for the covers, DOH! No big deal, I figured I'd get to organizing and find them. Which I did, after I'd already thrown in the towel and changed out of my coveralls.

I hope to button this up today, get this side motor mount in, swap out the clutch slave and who knows what else.
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My '92 LX build. Bought Novemeber 2019. http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthre...91#post3293791
Current mileage: 422679 11/21/19

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