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Old 06-01-2018, 10:47 AM   #41
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Very nice CB thusfar. I presume the guy broke the cotter pin and decided to use a piece of stray wire to fill the void.

Probably not the best idea but I'm honestly not surprised.
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Old 08-15-2018, 10:42 PM   #42
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Just a little update: I went the easy route and bought a couple of quickstruts for the front end as the old struts were a bit worn out. These cars are a bit bouncy on the front end and the old ones were just a bit moreso, not to mention very squeaky. If anything I can rule out any of those components contributing to my current camber problem on the front passenger wheel.

On that note, I ordered a set of radius rod bushings to top off all the suspension work I've done. Every moving component in the front suspension has been replaced except for those. I realize these will probably only correct my caster, but I can't address everything at once. My caster is about 1.5 degrees out on both front wheels for those of you taking score at home.

Moog part K9733 is the kit for the bushings. Curiously they're very hard, and manufactured in 2017 so they're fresh. They weren't advertised as a stiffer part but they are here and I'm installing them. For the women out there following along, you'll need a different part number:

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Old 08-16-2018, 12:34 PM   #43
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Old 08-17-2018, 04:55 PM   #44
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RADIUS ROD BUSHINGS: OMG I don't know if those were totally the wrong bushings that were installed on my car or they were just too soft, but these blue Moogs (and possibly one other thing) have almost 100% stabilized this car.

Now given, there's a lot of suspension bits to remove before you can get the rod out and maybe I corrected a misinstallation somehow. The only thing I found wrong IMO was there was a washer at the base of one, just one, of the rods. It was 3.3mm thick, 28mm diameter.

The design of the Moog bushing was totally different than the black ones on the car, as well some of the key measurements. The Moog bushings were stiffer for sure. They were also taller and more conical. They did have the same inner/outer diameters. The bushings I took our were in very good shape - no rips or tears, not cracked or rubbed away. Fasteners were tight. Here's the ones I took out, and the offending washer.



I'm not necessarily interested in any handling theory, but mechanically what is the effect of adding that one washer? I'm thinking it creates less caster.

The combo of the bushings and removing that washer has restored my confidence in the front end. I can go 70mph without excess vibration or the car wandering into the next lane within 2 seconds if I let go. The self-centering has also improved, like when exiting a turn and you just let the wheel slide through your hands to center up.

I find it hard to believe just any caster adjustment these parts made had much affect on the camber. However it may have been so out of whack that it multiplied my problem with the camber. I think the problem with the bushings may have been twofold.
1. Possibly wrong bushings, or installed incorrectly
2. The washer was throwing off the right side even more than the right. I'm not sure why they would've put that washer in w/o a matching one on the driver's side. My only guess is the car possibly had very bad ball joints on the passenger side at one point and someone installed the washer thinking that would improve it.

Now I just need to get the camber corrected somehow on that right side and I think she'll track straight.
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Old 09-05-2018, 12:07 PM   #45
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Just a little update on my alignment: I ended up taking the car to another shop for the alignment. From the get go my confidence level with these guys was good, as the lead guy I spoke to at the front desk told me he used to work at the Honda dealership when these were new, so I think he knows his stuff.

I explained the situation with the car, what I'd done, what I wanted done, etc. and they said they'd get it done, with the usual caveats that camber isn't designed to be adjustable. I told them I understood that for now that wasn't as much of a priority since the car won't track straight at all.

The printout they gave me showed these values:


Everything is much better, and the car tracks dead straight. Note that this is my second attempt at alignment, and I have no explanation as to why the toe in the rear is so far off after being at -.16 on the right after my last alignment. I've made no adjustments or worked on the rear at all since my last trip to the shop. I'm also perplexed as to how the front right toe's initial value before adjustment was -.32 when the sheet they showed me at the first shop showed it was within spec. Along with the way I was spoken to by their manager at the desk, this result tells me not to go back to that shop.

As for the front, I did change the radius rod bushings and removed the washer from the right hand side, ignorant that there should be one in there from the factory. What I should have done was add a washer to the left side, and caster would most likely be just within range at 2.1 degrees positive caster if the washers do in fact add about .4 degrees positive.

I do plan to do that, but I need to address some bad bushings in the rear first. Actually I'm just replacing all the components back there like I did the front.

After experiencing the improvement in how the front end felt just with the poly RR bushings, I'm wondering what the rear would feel like with poly bushings? I may go this route. My neighbor has a press that would make switching them out easy.
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Old 09-05-2018, 05:17 PM   #46
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The washers are for adjusting caster. It is entirely possible that one wasn't needed on one side. Removing washers increases caster - installing washers decreases caster so I don't think you want to install one on the left side. If you don't have a washer on the right side, the only way to increase caster is to cut back the shoulder on the rod to allow it to be pulled further forward relative to the bushings. You could try loosening the entire front cross member and pulling it forward (undo the radius rod nuts first).
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Old 11-04-2018, 09:51 PM   #47
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Since my alignment, the steering has been really good. It's nice being able to concentrate on the road rather than having to always compensating for a pull to either side.

I was able to fix my leaking taillights the other day. Next up - transmission side crank seal, redo the oilpan gasket and possibly reshape the pan flange. It's getting cold though and if I need to work on it I'm bringing it into the garage man!

I also got a new carpet online. Very nice thick rubber backing, preformed, etc. I'm wondering how much trouble it would be to bring an upholster a brand new (Honda) seat cover and see if they can match the material anywhere. I was surprised to see my color, grey, is one of the few pieces they have left.
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Old 11-05-2018, 07:22 PM   #48
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Getting cold? In TX? They're talking possible flurries up here on Thursday. And the only thing I can get in my garage is 1 1/2 bays of parts and a wrecked 92 coupe.
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Old 12-25-2018, 04:59 PM   #49
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Ok, ok, it's not like Ohio cold, but we'll have stretches here in Dallas where you definitely cannot go outside without a coat.

Speaking of which, I just had a 220v outlet added to the garage and installed a heater so I don't care how cold it is, I'm working on my car!! I got a chance to test it out last night while switching out my trunklid for the newer style.

It took some massaging at the trunklid mount points but it looks very close to being spot on.

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Old 12-25-2018, 08:45 PM   #50
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Looks good!
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Old 01-05-2019, 07:06 PM   #51
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Thanks And wouldn't you know it? We just had a bunch of rain over the last week and now my trunk is full of water again. More taillight gaskets inbound.

On a side note if anyone reading has a '90-91 that needs the older style taillights or gaskets let me know. My old ones are pretty good, no cracks or big scrapes; nothing broken on them.
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Old 01-05-2019, 07:13 PM   #52
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There are multiple ways that water gets in the trunk besides the tail lights. Check the area under the chrome trim at the bottom of the rear windshield. There are eight clips that penetrate the body and have thin gaskets - these age and leak. If you stick your finger up through the long slots, feel around for water in the trough, if it is wet, the clips are leaking. Pull the left trunk liner and check around the vent - I just had to replace the gasket on my wagon vent and my 92 EX coupe is leaking there as well. On the right side, there is a white clip that supports the top edge of the bumper about halfway from the wheel well to the back - it also has a thin gasket that is leaking on my 92 EX coupe. If you still have a power antenna, make sure its drain tube is connected to the drain grommet.
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Old 02-12-2019, 04:53 PM   #53
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Hey Paul, thanks for bringing that up. I've seen you post that exact detail in other places and it hasn't been lost on me. When I last redid the gaskets on my old taillights it did do the trick. No other leaks. These new taillights are now suspect. I'll get to them soon.

But the thing I wanted to do for today was pull the old nasty carpet. I did think about just cleaning the bejeebus out of it, but it's so faded in places it's not really worth it to me. It's gone to a very light grey in some spots. I'm going to get the rear seatbelts done too. The lowers are just gross and the shoulder belts are both frayed.

The aftermath:




No real rust to speak of, just sludge from coffee or soda.


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Old 02-12-2019, 08:21 PM   #54
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I kinda like doing interior work. If you find a first gen TL or RL they often have a nicer gray carpet that would probably fit in a CB with some trimming. Either that or CD Accord gray carpet would be a great fit. Like the newest and cleanest you can find. Like 97 Accord carpet.
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I've cleaned carpeting out of the car with Oxyclean, then power washed it (hot sunny day does wonders for drying it). Jarrett either has a thread, or buried in an MRT, how he went about dying carpeting black for one of his cars. You could try dying it if it not too worn. I successfully dyed a set of blue floor mats to make them a nice uniform (if darker) color.

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Old 02-13-2019, 04:45 AM   #56
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I kinda like doing interior work.
Understatement of the year right there!!

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I've cleaned carpeting out of the car with Oxyclean, then power washed it (hot sunny day does wonders for drying it). Jarrett either has a thread, or buried in an MRT, how he went about dying carpeting black for one of his cars. You could try dying it if it not too worn. I successfully dyed a set of blue floor mats to make them a nice uniform (if darker) color.
Depending on what I'm doing to the car, how long it'll take, how messy it is, and how fast I want to get the car back up and running affects which route I take when doing something to this old thing. Believe it or not I drive this thing a lot! It's pretty much relegated my Camaro to garage bitch. In this case I know if I'd decided to attempt a clean and dye job it could've very possibly turned out like crap and either I'd never be happy with it after reinstalling or I'd do all the work, not like it, and end up buying a new carpet anyway. I've got my replacement carpet already. I've just got a little bit of cleaning of the floors left to do, and I may pick up a tool or two to make trimming holes a little neater before I get to installing it.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:30 PM   #57
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Just a heads up if you're ever planning on stripping your interior down pretty far. The lower B-pillars mount up top on two super sharp spring steel clips on either side up high on the plastic. Be VERY careful when taking this piece off the car and don't slice your hand like I did.



See the two protrusions up high? The clips hold those.


Close up.


Here's the clip from one side. You can see it's got two little fangs on it, perfect for slicing skin. I'm covering them up temporarily with packing tape here.

I'm not exactly sure the correct way to remove that panel. Maybe slide upward?
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If you had a coupe, I could have set you up with a pretty clean gray or maroon OEM carpet.
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:17 PM   #59
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If I get another (which I very well may after I graduate in late Sept) it'll probably be a wagon. I really like the extra utility, plus it would be a sweet platform to swap a motor into for a sleeper. Has anyone ever put an NSX motor in a CB7?

One can dream.
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Realistically, would you want an NSX motor in a CB? I can understand the novelty of saying you've got an NSX motor in your Accord, but a J is more compact, much cheaper to source, cheaper and easier to maintain, a few are more powerful in stock form, and I would think they're cheaper to modify.
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