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Old 08-16-2008, 05:48 PM   #1
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H22 V.s F22

Well first of all im new here i have a 91 accord lx 2dr 5sp with 180k! I would like to go turbo but not sure if its good to turbo the f22 or get an h22! But i heard if im wanting to go turbo that vtech is not the best. To get an h23! PLEASE HELP!
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Old 08-16-2008, 06:00 PM   #2
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Old 08-16-2008, 06:03 PM   #3
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This the beginner section so I cant "search button" you..lol... The best motor to mod is the one already under the hood. That is better for turbo apps imo. It'll be cheaper to boost that f22 if boost is your thing rather than swapping in an H and boosting it. "Imo" there is really no signifigant advantage for the H22 except more power out the box which can be fixed. This is my opinion given the research I have done on this issue. Anyway let the war begin.

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Old 08-16-2008, 06:09 PM   #4
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agreed with fake thug, the f22 is one of the best motors to turbo from what ive heard..remember no question is dumb question when ur a beginner.
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Old 08-16-2008, 06:14 PM   #5
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This the beginner section so I cant "search button" you..lol... The best motor to mod is the one already under the hood. That is better for turbo apps imo. It'll be cheaper to boost that f22 if boost is your thing rather than swapping in an H and boosting it. "Imo" there is really no signifigant advantage for the H22 except more power out the box which can be fixed. This is my opinion given the research I have done on this issue. Anyway let the war begin.
i agree with him.



in my honest opinion tho. boost the F. you'll spend less money piecing together the kit off the DSM(1st gen eclipse), tuning, other go fast goodies, and a decent suspension that will help you to better handle that new found power than putting $1200 into the H22 motor, another $400 for any parts(water pump, timing belt) and whatever else you plan on doing to that motor BEFORE you drop it in your cb.

if you boost the F: $800 or less for a DSM kit
tuning: $100(maybe less if you know someone)
chipped ECU: $100
suspension: $400 for a real good set-up

so $1400(a estimate) for a good turbo set up, tune, and suspension and youll be pushing at least 180-190whp. more than an H22 swapped cb7.
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Old 08-16-2008, 06:20 PM   #6
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f22 with h23 head + turbo =
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Old 08-17-2008, 01:04 AM   #7
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Old 08-17-2008, 01:24 AM   #8
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Old 08-17-2008, 01:27 AM   #9
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Old 08-17-2008, 09:17 AM   #10
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H22 V.s F22

Thanx alot everyone for helpin me out yea datz wat i was thiking to do on the f22! But do i have to change any internals or anytind to da f22 or i can just keep it like it iz n just buy the turbo kit and instal it? Also is that good to get a h23 head?
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Old 08-17-2008, 09:41 AM   #11
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If you desire to keep your F22 naturally aspirated, with intake, header, exhaust, and a Bisimoto level 2 cam, you can make about 150whp, which is 172 HP at the crank, and still be extremely reliable:

That was non-vtec. Cheaper yet, than a turbo.

Vtec with level 2 cam:
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Old 08-17-2008, 09:52 AM   #12
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If you desire to keep your F22 naturally aspirated, with intake, header, exhaust, and a Bisimoto level 2 cam, you can make about 150whp, which is 172 HP at the crank, and still be extremely reliable:

That was non-vtec. Cheaper yet, than a turbo.

Vtec with level 2 cam:
Now thats what I'm talking about, I have been saving my pennies for one of Bisi's cams, NA reliability and cheap gas FTW
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Old 08-17-2008, 11:35 AM   #13
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If you desire to keep your F22 naturally aspirated, with intake, header, exhaust, and a Bisimoto level 2 cam, you can make about 150whp, which is 172 HP at the crank, and still be extremely reliable:

That was non-vtec. Cheaper yet, than a turbo.
Cheaper than turbo done right... and definitely more reliable. Turbo can be done VERY inexpensively using junkyard parts, but it's not the way to go for a car that's more than just a toy/project car. I had assembled a turbo kit using junkyard parts for about $500. I had a $1200 project car to install it on, and I pretty much planned on blowing up the motor. It was intended to be a learning experience (and would've been serious with a replacement motor). I crashed the car before I installed the turbo stuff, though...










The F22A has a ton of potential NA, and Bisimoto can provide everything necessary to make it into quite a monster.

The F22A is also good for turbo, be it in stock form (about 250whp can be seen reliably on a healthy stock-block F22A, as long as the correct parts are used, and tuning is done properly.) Built, just about any well made motor can be good for turbo... the F22A certainly being a well made motor.


The H22A is the best choice for "drop it in and forget it" power. 200hp from an H22A in stock form makes the car fun, and you're still running a bone stock motor. The swap is quite easy, so the chances that you'd mess it up are slim (all the info you need can be found on this site.) A few mods can make decent power from the H22, but there's a ceiling. The H22A can make impressive power, but once you reach roughly 220whp on a modest budget, you're going to have to pump a considerable amount of money into it to get more.
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Old 08-17-2008, 03:48 PM   #14
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[quote=Bisimoto;1618225]If you desire to keep your F22 naturally aspirated, with intake, header, exhaust, and a Bisimoto level 2 cam, you can make about 150whp, which is 172 HP at the crank, and still be extremely reliable:

That was non-vtec. Cheaper yet, than a turbo.

this is what the car put down with a stock converter and cheap bolt ons and it was in almost 100 degree weather after being beat on all day. with some mor parts and a little more time tuning it i believe 150-155whp is an easy goal maybe more.

and for the cost
ebay intake $50
ebay header $100
ebay catback $150
h23 intake mani. $40
Bisimoto stg2 cam regrind $230
chipped p06 ECU tuned on chrome $150

ttl $720

and im about to do more
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and for the cost
ebay intake $50
ebay header $100
ebay catback $150
h23 intake mani. $40
Bisimoto stg2 cam regrind $230
chipped p06 ECU tuned on chrome $150

ttl $720

and im about to do more


$720 for a 149whp F22a will always be worth it. i can beat just about all the lightly modded cars(majority of them being mustangs) with that
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Old 08-17-2008, 04:58 PM   #16
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f22a with f23 vtec head

well im doing mini vtec but with a f22a with a f23 vtec head ,im thinking its gonna run hard but i feel a lil turbo with some pistons will do the trick . wut u guys think n yea its but i need to know
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well im doing mini vtec but with a f22a with a f23 vtec head ,im thinking its gonna run hard but i feel a lil turbo with some pistons will do the trick . wut u guys think n yea its but i need to know
Leave the F22a head on.
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:00 AM   #18
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well im doing mini vtec but with a f22a with a f23 vtec head ,im thinking its gonna run hard but i feel a lil turbo with some pistons will do the trick . wut u guys think n yea its but i need to know
no. dont do it. the F22a head outflows the VTEC heads on the SOHC VTEC motors in the CD5s. keep the F22a head and im sure you'll get more of a gain from it
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Old 08-18-2008, 09:05 AM   #19
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well im doing mini vtec but with a f22a with a f23 vtec head ,im thinking its gonna run hard but i feel a lil turbo with some pistons will do the trick . wut u guys think n yea its but i need to know
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Old 08-18-2008, 02:27 PM   #20
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wow can you use the lvl 2 cam with the turbo application?
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