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Old 01-30-2013, 04:59 PM   #81
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What happens when you take off too much material?

And $800 for what you describe as not a lot of work sounds pretty crazy. Machine shops in NYC charge $100-150/hr, you mean to tell me what you described amounts to 6-8 hours of work?

I'm not usually one to run from getting my hands dirty but sometimes taking it to a shop is just insurance. If you are the kind of person who plans to do a ton of builds I see learning the process as being worth it, but for a one time thing why not take it to a shop?
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:20 PM   #82
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Nothing wrong with that. I personally would rather do it myself. Sounds like you'll be looking at something close to $2000-$2,500 in machine shop charges. They'll want $500-$800 in labor alone to assemble everything. Most of the time anyways.


Maybe they will work a deal out with you.


Either way, don't psyche yourself out of doing it, in lieu of fear. It really isnt that hard my friend.
That cost sounds about what I had guessed, with the way I like to give myself a pretty decent 'safety buffer' so I don't walk out in debt. I think I've got roughly $8000 in parts thought up, and expected it all to cost just over $10,000 by the time I'm driving. I'm definitely not afraid of the work. I think I mentioned in here that I did a teardown+reassembly of an engine at school, which did include all the measurements. I trust myself to do the work, and will do the bulk of the engine assmebly, but at least with the crank and rod bearings I won't lose too much pride by having someone else who already has the measurements take care of it.
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:02 PM   #83
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What happens when you take off too much material?

And $800 for what you describe as not a lot of work sounds pretty crazy. Machine shops in NYC charge $100-150/hr, you mean to tell me what you described amounts to 6-8 hours of work?
I have a friend who builds for a living, he might charge a little less than the shops locally do, roughly $105/hr if you want to compare to NYC rates. But he spends AT LEAST a week on the build. He triple checks everything. If something even slightly feels off he takes it apart. To include replacing a bearing or two here and there at his OWN EXPENSE. His customers expect the build to last for years, so why not invest a little quality time in it. He could do the build overnight if he wanted, but he takes pride in his work.
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That cost sounds about what I had guessed, with the way I like to give myself a pretty decent 'safety buffer' so I don't walk out in debt. I think I've got roughly $8000 in parts thought up, and expected it all to cost just over $10,000 by the time I'm driving. I'm definitely not afraid of the work. I think I mentioned in here that I did a teardown+reassembly of an engine at school, which did include all the measurements. I trust myself to do the work, and will do the bulk of the engine assmebly, but at least with the crank and rod bearings I won't lose too much pride by having someone else who already has the measurements take care of it.
Ah I missed that. Yea then maybe investing in the tools is the right idea.
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I have a friend who builds for a living, he might charge a little less than the shops locally do, roughly $105/hr if you want to compare to NYC rates. But he spends AT LEAST a week on the build. He triple checks everything. If something even slightly feels off he takes it apart. To include replacing a bearing or two here and there at his OWN EXPENSE. His customers expect the build to last for years, so why not invest a little quality time in it. He could do the build overnight if he wanted, but he takes pride in his work.
A week? My ass, not from an expierenced engine builder. Not a steady, all day every day week. No freakin way.


On a 4 cylinder engine there are only 9 journals to get straight. Dealing with a quality company, like Clevite, 9/10 times you don't even have to alter the bearing.



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Just wanted to say that my comment is based on assembly as that was the way the OP came across.


It would never take an engine builder a week to do an engine. If they are doing extensive machine work and all kinds of custom shit, than MAYBE
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I'm not saying he puts in a week worth of man hours. I'm just saying he's a meticulous person, kinda eccentric in a way. He's thrown many engines together in hours if he needs to; but we just let him do his thing. I think a week turnaroud isn't that bad for any engine build. You send it off to major shops and it's easily double or triple that, unless you pay their "express/convenience" fee.
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I'm not saying he puts in a week worth of man hours. I'm just saying he's a meticulous person, kinda eccentric in a way. He's thrown many engines together in hours if he needs to; but we just let him do his thing. I think a week turnaroud isn't that bad for any engine build. You send it off to major shops and it's easily double or triple that, unless you pay their "express/convenience" fee.
I'll agree that one week turn around time is pretty good from a shop.


It only takes me 4-6 hours to assemble a rotational assembly, assuming all the machine work and bearings are correct from square one.






And I forgot to mention what happens when you take off too much material;


After that happens once, you learn to count your strokes and sand bearings correctly. The initial mistake, costs you an extra hundred bux or so.
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Not well. I just moved into a cheap apartment so I could fund this project and then a couple weeks ago I had to go to the emergency room. Just under $3k for 8 stitches at the moment, but I'm waiting to hear back from my insurance. Needless to say, it's setting me back. Maybe it's ironic, but it was pulling the valve seals on my head that did the damage when the seal pliers slipped. I thought it was stupid to pay upwards of $200 for a proper tool I'd only use once (and even less for a shop to do it), and now here I am

As of now the plan is to get some things done to the RSX that I really want done so I'm not so horribly bored during the H-build (retrofitted headlights, rear sway, cat-back, Mugen hood to replace the dented stocker), plus a couple big things I need for the apartment, then about half of the H parts should be in hand by year's end. 2015 is complete focus on the build, which should be done and driving by Fall of that year (with the RSX even being paid off soon after, woot!). Slow project, but that's my situation right now.
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Old 12-16-2013, 08:31 PM   #90
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I realized I never posted a detailed list of the planned parts. So, if anyone's interested:

- AEM V2 with custom filter enclosure (helps keep intake pressure up)
- Professional Products 68mm ITR throttle body
- Euro-R intake manifold prepped by Rosko Racing (RDX fuel rail & injectors*, port-matched to 68mm)
- Bisimoto thermal manifold gasket

- Supertech guides, dish valves, springs, retainers, keepers, seals
- Skunk 2 Pro 1 cams
- Bisimoto cam gears

- ARP head & main studs
- Wiseco 11.5:1 (re-sleeve, of course)
- Eagle rods
- ATI street damper

- Bisimoto V3 stainless ceramic header (will be a one-piece whether Bisi does it for me or a local shop does)
- I also have a Spoon header that mates to the stock downpipe; that will be enlarged to 2.5" - I don't want to get rid of this rare header, and it'll be interesting to compare the two
- Vibrant/Kteller 2.5" mandrel & stainless exhaust system
- Catco cat 6906
- Vibrant Ultra Quiet resonator (x2)
- Magnaflow oval muffler

- I think I'll be going with an AEM Series 2 EMS, since I want a COP conversion later
- AEM gauges: exhaust temp, fuel press, oil press, wideband A/F
- RyWire harness w/grounds

- AEM FPR
- Walbro 255 pump
* Though I'm looking into E85-compatible pump and injectors, should I decide to switch in the future.

- Evans waterless coolant
- Koyo R-series rad
- Mishimoto fans
- Samco hoses
- Header wrap and heat tape to keep temps down in certain areas

- All machine work and tune at PFI Speed of Johnstown, CO

*ED. - Intake choice changed: K&N Apollo. The plan with the AEM V2 was to create a custom enclosure to both seal incoming air from engine heat and also keep stock-like air pressure ready at the inlet. I just found out about this kinda old product of K&N's. Saves me all that custom labor and about $200, and I can connect it to the AEM short ram I already have. Just have to figure out where to route the ducting.

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^ Neither had I, so I was excited as hell since it meant I didn't have to make one just like it out of fiberglass, like I was planning until I saw one of those in a car in Honda Tuning.

But I think I am finally ready, financially, to dig into this build! It's been a long wait, and it'll probably take a little over a year to collect all the parts, but if I've kept motivated even without owning an Accord, this is definitely going to happen.

I have my list of parts (a couple cheaper prices have been found since that last post), and the plan is to move from store to store, buying from each in one large bulk order before moving on to the next dealer. The exception being today. I was about to order the one and only item I needed from Phearable.net when I noticed Summit had it a few bucks cheaper shipped. So despite a later large order from Summit, I went ahead and got this thing anyway: an analog AEM EGT (exhaust gas temperature) gauge to stick in my glove box with the wideband. I should be ordering the ARP head studs (again, a store needed for just one thing) next weekend.



I also saw a BB6 donut and valve cover in a junkyard and grabbed those - the wheel being for my later 5-lug conversion. Hey, I couldn't pass up a near-new tire for $10. The VC will be re-painted but remain unmodified for an OEM look. Besides protecting the timing belt, I don't want to put at risk all that work Keele put into my custom cover by having it on all the time.



*ED - Turned it into this, with BMW's Monaco Blue Metallic (paint code A35) - the planned color for my wagon.

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This popped up on Craigslist: a PRB (RSX-S) intake manifold.






^ I wasn't expecting velocity stacks in a factory manifold, that's bad ass.

Based on these two shots I found, of a Civic Si's RBC manifold mounted in a CD Accord, and a size comparison of the two manifolds, I thought it was worth seeing for myself whether the smaller intake would fit. I was looking into this swap a while back and thought about picking up a CTR's RRC intake since the runners were shorter than the RBC's, but they're pricey. $50 for the PRB, and if it works out, I'll look into size comparisons and see about upgrading to a Type-R.


^ a custom rear mount would have to be made to accommodate the RBC in an Accord or Prelude



Setting the head on my block, loose-fitting the rear engine bracket, and holding the manifold in place by hand, I'd say the most I'm going to have to do is notch the bracket - the throttle body flange doesn't go near hitting my small ESP mount. I can't speak for either of the bulkier stock mounts, but once I get the QSD adapter and bolt this thing down, I'll know for sure and share my experience.

If all fails, I can still mount the thing on my base RSX. Win-win.
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Okay, so I got distracted. Bought some wheels for the RSX, did some other things. But I think I'm officially content with putting that car on hold for at least the winter so I can get back to this. Just placed an order through Summit Racing, grabbing all of the things I'd planned from them except for the ATI crank pulley damper...

Catco cat. 2.5", stainless, promises of reliability and good flow...


DEI gold heat tape. Good for continuous 850*F abuse, can handle spikes up to 2000*. The intake pipe will be wrapped in this, as well as the part of the oil pan that the downpipe is close to. This is a 2" by 30' roll, so I'm sure I'll put more to functional use.


K&N Apollo intake. Universal, 70mm inlet. Don't know why the black is so much cheaper than the red, but at least it's the color I want.


Professional Products 68mm cast aluminum ITR "Power" throttle body. This is the TB that Rosko Racing recommends with the Euro-R manifold, and that's what I plan on getting. Supposedly cast throttles are less likely to stick than a lot of the billet units in the aftermarket. Originally I was going to go with the satin aluminum look with my intake to look more factory, but I recently changed my mind and sprang the extra few bucks for polished. Going to have my manifold polished as well, inspired by Alfa Romeo's efforts in making their engines look pretty. Between my custom valve cover and planned Bisi header... I may as well complete the image.


The next hit probably won't happen until January, since I'm going back and forth between this project and sprucing up my apartment...
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Oil pan, sans the planned magnetic drain plug



*ED. 11.23: I could be getting a used Bisimoto header in January... as long as no one else skimps on their holiday spending to be selfish, lol. I'm going on a road trip and the seller (anyone see that red 3rd-gen Prelude with the F20B in the 'Know Your Roots' issue of Honda Tuning?) happens to live in my old town, which is one of my stops. Pray for me!
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So that vacation had to be cancelled and I got in touch with the guy to have his Bisi header shipped with the plan of buying it today - this happened about a month ago. Someone else jumped in a couple days ago, and the seller didn't care to wait. However, they're not too hard to come by, so I've moved on. I'm talking to a seller now for a Rosko-prepped Euro-R intake manifold.

This, by the way, might be of interest to anyone hoping to get one of these manifolds for their build. Here's a conversation I had with Rosko over at Prelude Power. There's some bonus stuff about Rosko's Prelude H2B kit, although when I posed the question, I hadn't thought of the obvious fact that Prelude mounts don't work in Accords, so the chassis mounting points would of course not be the same. Personally, I don't see the point for the swap when transmissions can be custom geared, but I was curious. Anyway...

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Yeah, I've been waiting on an order since October, should be here soon but all are spoken for already. Another shipment is supposedly coming in several weeks behind that one but who knows. I deffinately cannot get as many as I would like.
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^ Same question, but more up-to-date? Just want to make sure that "back order" notice [at RoskoRacing.com] is looked after.

And, out of pure curiosity and sorry for the brief off topic-ness, those Prelude H2B kits... since 90-93 Accords can use their stock mounts and axles for an H-swap, would that PH2B kit then be directly compatible?
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I received 6 in the months shortly after that post and have not been able to get any since. I spoke with Steve spring of 2014 and told him to order 6 more for me, he said 2-3 months and I said OK get them coming. I pass this info on to my customers, some gave money up front and others waited patiently. After about 3 months I had not heard anything yet and gave him a call to find out that nothing had been ordered. I pretty much gave up after that and refunded my customers money or set them up with something else. I'm not sure what the deal is to be honest, but I couldn't keep promising my customers a date knowing that date was going to come and go. Everything about getting these over the past few years has been a struggle and even though my customers have been patient it always (in my eyes) makes me look like a dick. I can't do business like that. I don't want to have to call and check in every week and keep nagging on a company to get me what I need. If you tell me something will be here then make damn sure it is. 1 month always turns into 3-4 and finally I had enough. Sadly there aren't any other companies that import these (at least that I know of), there are a few that advertise them but I think what I figured out is that they just source them from H motors as well.

I still offer the same services if you are able to source your own, and I still produce all the a parts but from here on out I don't expect to ever stock these again.

There are other options though. I've developed an alternative over the past few years and that is the fabbed upper plenum and modified lower. These have proven to be the better option and I highly suggest you check those out if you haven't already.
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I don't know, haha.

This comes up alot, it seems as if there is more interest with doing this to an Accord then there is a Prelude. The kit uses all new mounts that aren't interchangeable with the factory mounts, however the mounting points on the chassis would be the same so that may be a mute point. Axles would probably be the same axles you'd use with an H swap in the Accord and would need modified in the same manner the prelude axle would.

The main difference would be the shifter linkage. A factory linkage thats cables is much more flexible on where its mounted. It could be moved 2 inches forward or 2 inches back and it wouldn't care. The PH2B linkage however is obviously not a cable linkage, it is a solid tube linkage and that means that the distance from the trans to the shifter needs to be the same in your Accord as it is in your Prelude and thats probably not the case, it would be pure luck if it worked out that way. Is that a deal breaker? Probably not, it just means that you'd have to do some fab work on the shifter end of things to A, get the shifter mounted, and B, either extend or shorten the linkage bars.
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Rosko upper plenum / matching lower runner modification

Rosko PH2B kit

The Euro-R manifold has probably gone out of production, so it's pretty much a Honda collector's item I will be proud to own! Just gotta get it home, and get it to a good metal polisher!
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* Euro-R manifold
* RDX 410cc injectors w/adapters & Rosko pigtails
* Rosko fuel rail
* EGR runner plate & block-off plate
* IACV relocated to back of plenum
* LHD throttle cable bracket
* Inlet bored to 68mm
* USDM IAT sensor
* flange machined to fit base H22 head w/o thicker gasket
* The TB I've got mounted is a Professional Products 68mm ITR throttle

Came yesterday, I've been working on transferring everything over. The fuel rail inlet is in the way of me being able to install the EGR valve, but my friend says our emissions test centers don't look for that anyway - they didn't even lift the hood on his old Explorer and just checked for a cat (they just brought it back in CO a few years back and I only had to go in once, two years ago - they lifted the hood to run a fan because it was hot out). Luckily for me, the manifold included the block-off ready to go. Hopefully the engine can be tuned to pass emissions without the EGR. It came with a throttle body identical (albeit satin, not polished) to the TB I'd purchased earlier, but it lacks the idle adjustment screw so I won't be using it.

I'll have the manifold polished and the fuel rail painted to match my custom valve cover in due time. I want my engine to look every bit as bad-ass as it performs.
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So, at least in this period of simply trying to get my engine built, I've decided I'll forget the Bisi header and modify my OEM downpipe. The problem this presents is that, being a 4-2-1, the only real spot to position my three sensors (EGT, wideband, and stock O2) are on the straight after the 2-1 merge.

My question: is there an optimal distance needed between gauge sensors? The sensors protruding into the exhaust path are obviously going to interrupt flow, so wouldn't that make the readings of the second two sensors a bit off if they were all too close to each other?
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So, at least in this period of simply trying to get my engine built, I've decided I'll forget the Bisi header and modify my OEM downpipe. The problem this presents is that, being a 4-2-1, the only real spot to position my three sensors (EGT, wideband, and stock O2) are on the straight after the 2-1 merge.

My question: is there an optimal distance needed between gauge sensors? The sensors protruding into the exhaust path are obviously going to interrupt flow, so wouldn't that make the readings of the second two sensors a bit off if they were all too close to each other?
That is too far away from the cylinder head for the EGT.
The EGT needs to be only a few inches from the cylinder head right in your primary.
If you don't want to run 4 EGT probes you need too figure out which cylinder runs the hottest on your motor and put the probe in that primary.
(h22 cylinder 3 is the hot cylinder)
MY mrt shows what research suggested to be the best placement on the H22
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