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Old 01-04-2017, 08:36 PM   #21
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I take back that the 2016 Chevy trucks have this problem, they do not. The trucks i seen must have just had a load in the back.

But the Corollas still bother me a lot! I'm hoping this thread has brought these cars to everyone's attention and they see them on the road now! (enought attention to get people to start signing my petition ) If I have one of these cars behind me at night I will turn my rear view mirror so their headlights blind themselves. They quickly get the point that the cutoff level of their headlights is far too high.

I think what bothers me the most is that its Toyota doing this. This is something i can see Kia doing, but not good old reliable Toyota. My old landlord owns one of these cars and he said when he bought it the dealership bragged about the headlights being so bright others will be jealous. But he noted that he gets flashed every week by people.

My goal here is to have Toyota release a re-call or bulletin to advise driver to bring their car in to have the headlights aimed properly.
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:23 PM   #22
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Iv'e seen these vehicles with their bright headlights including the corollas its crazy bright. Now with these vehicles they are great when you have to make sure that people can see aswell as people seeing those vehicles. I mean I have projector retrofits in my civic and they are nice and bright almost on the same level as the corollas but not as overbearing.

I had one that was bright that stayed on me I got behind him and showed him the same treatment. She then got behind me and hit me with the hi-beams I got behind her and hit her with high-beams too and stayed behind her to blind her to the point to where she began swerving all over the road and I smiles and thanked TRS and kept it moving.
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:47 PM   #23
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Iv'e seen these vehicles with their bright headlights including the corollas its crazy bright. Now with these vehicles they are great when you have to make sure that people can see aswell as people seeing those vehicles. I mean I have projector retrofits in my civic and they are nice and bright almost on the same level as the corollas but not as overbearing.

I had one that was bright that stayed on me I got behind him and showed him the same treatment. She then got behind me and hit me with the hi-beams I got behind her and hit her with high-beams too and stayed behind her to blind her to the point to where she began swerving all over the road and I smiles and thanked TRS and kept it moving.
haha. And it's hard to not prevoke. What's worse is when you find out its a 79 year old gramma driving the car, ya feel kind of bad for flashing them. It's not the buyers fault, but it boiled my blood to hear my old landlord talking about the salesman bragging about how bright the lights are. And I'm 100% positive that I'm not the only one flashing them.

In the past there have been vehicle recalls for headlights/foglights being aimed improperly. It's a simple recall. It's getting Toyota to issue it or get the media attention which is proving difficult.

Seems like they just need to re-align the headlights, but that will only happen if people sign a petition, get media attention, etc. Like every other auto manufacture they only take action after people die.
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haha. And it's hard to not prevoke. What's worse is when you find out its a 79 year old gramma driving the car, ya feel kind of bad for flashing them. It's not the buyers fault, but it boiled my blood to hear my old landlord talking about the salesman bragging about how bright the lights are. And I'm 100% positive that I'm not the only one flashing them.

In the past there have been vehicle recalls for headlights/foglights being aimed improperly. It's a simple recall. It's getting Toyota to issue it or get the media attention which is proving difficult.

Seems like they just need to re-align the headlights, but that will only happen if people sign a petition, get media attention, etc. Like every other auto manufacture they only take action after people die.
those retrofits the the toyota gas is very similar to the morimoto d2s retrofits.
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:44 AM   #25
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So anyone who wants to make a difference on this topic I urge you to please write Toyota via their contact us website. I've been doing this and lately they have been friendly about it. They admit that there have been multiple complaints and they will forward the information to the engineering department. The more attention we can bring to this topic the better! I'm also writing news agencies to see what media attention I can bring to the table.
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Old 12-18-2017, 04:25 PM   #26
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So been almost a year and I have to admit, lately only the Corollas still bother me. I think I see it as a disrespect thing on a loyal Toyota company. Dam, even the city buses got proper cutoff. But I will admit I do see some Corollas which do not have the issue. As you near them the cutoff kicks in properly, maybe 2017 models. But I sat at a crosswalk today with one facing me and I felt like I was being vaporized haha. But they are simply way too bright and I wish they would at least check them during routine maintenance. Not hard to adjust them.

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Old 12-18-2017, 09:38 PM   #27
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That is one feature I love about my tundra is that I can adjust my headlights and lower them. This works perfectly when I have a heavy load in the back. Maybe Toyota should incorporate this into the corollas lol.
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Old 12-19-2017, 03:55 AM   #28
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That is one feature I love about my tundra is that I can adjust my headlights and lower them. This works perfectly when I have a heavy load in the back. Maybe Toyota should incorporate this into the corollas lol.
Yes! And same for trucks. All trucks should have auto adjusting headlights for when they carry a load / trailer. This bothers me too! You have new lifted trucks with great HIDs (and work properly), then they put a trailer and gear on and blind everyone every day and night. An obvious issue but the manufacture is too cheap or disrespectful to care about others.
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If you think the Corollas LEDs are bad, try driving next to a 2017/2018 Fusion with full LED headlights, just behind the headlights on the side of the vehicle. I notice this a lot in Michigan, where I work since the Fusion there is the Accord or Camry in the southwest or west coast, they're everywhere probably due to employee friends and family discounts.

But the glare from the side is so bad, it's like it reflects into a lense and bounces backward into the lane next to it and blinds anyone driving beside the car.
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If you think the Corollas LEDs are bad, try driving next to a 2017/2018 Fusion with full LED headlights, just behind the headlights on the side of the vehicle. I notice this a lot in Michigan, where I work since the Fusion there is the Accord or Camry in the southwest or west coast, they're everywhere probably due to employee friends and family discounts.

But the glare from the side is so bad, it's like it reflects into a lense and bounces backward into the lane next to it and blinds anyone driving beside the car.
Agreed. Wish I had power folding mirrors because when these cars are behind me it is too bright. I'll also turn my rear view mirror towards them to give them a hint.


Since I'm the only one in the world who gives a shit about this, how do I let it go? How do you all do it? It really is starting to discourage me from driving, especially at night.
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Agreed. Wish I had power folding mirrors because when these cars are behind me it is too bright. I'll also turn my rear view mirror towards them to give them a hint.


Since I'm the only one in the world who gives a shit about this, how do I let it go? How do you all do it? It really is starting to discourage me from driving, especially at night.
Could it be that its an actual problem or is it a trigger to you as the sound of nails being clipped to me? That sh8t sends me into an all out rage, people who cant park too and ice being chewed.................
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Could it be that its an actual problem or is it a trigger to you as the sound of nails being clipped to me? That sh8t sends me into an all out rage, people who cant park too and ice being chewed.................
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Old 12-20-2017, 03:11 AM   #33
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Could it be that its an actual problem or is it a trigger to you as the sound of nails being clipped to me? That sh8t sends me into an all out rage, people who cant park too and ice being chewed.................
It's the blinding part i guess i don't agree with
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Old 12-20-2017, 10:03 AM   #34
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Even back in March 2016 the IIHS has been pushing for headlight system improvement:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/deskto...ed-improvement

While they discuss the glare aspect:
"Glare for oncoming vehicles also is measured from low beams in each scenario to make sure it isn't excessive."

I get the impression even they realize glare can't be eradicated:
"A vehicle with excessive glare on any of the approaches can't earn a rating above marginal."

All that aside I found it curious and frustrating when I recently replaced both headlight assemblies with OEM units on our 2000 Accord. First it was interesting that the 98-00 models contained built-in bubble levels while the 01-02 models did not. Instead they rely on positioning the car a specific distance from a wall, measuring up that wall a certain number of inches, drawing a horizontal line, and measuring down from that line a few inches and aiming your lights so the top of the beam hits that mark... way too convulted.

But the frustrating part for me was no matter who I called, Honda dealer, DMV, AZ DPS, etc. no one knew of any guidelines or statuates regarding horizontal adjustment. The info for vertical aim is very common but you could easily be doing as much harm by incorrectly misaiming horizontally too...

So why is this information non existent!?
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Even back in March 2016 the IIHS has been pushing for headlight system improvement:
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/deskto...ed-improvement

While they discuss the glare aspect:
"Glare for oncoming vehicles also is measured from low beams in each scenario to make sure it isn't excessive."

I get the impression even they realize glare can't be eradicated:
"A vehicle with excessive glare on any of the approaches can't earn a rating above marginal."

All that aside I found it curious and frustrating when I recently replaced both headlight assemblies with OEM units on our 2000 Accord. First it was interesting that the 98-00 models contained built-in bubble levels while the 01-02 models did not. Instead they rely on positioning the car a specific distance from a wall, measuring up that wall a certain number of inches, drawing a horizontal line, and measuring down from that line a few inches and aiming your lights so the top of the beam hits that mark... way too convulted.

But the frustrating part for me was no matter who I called, Honda dealer, DMV, AZ DPS, etc. no one knew of any guidelines or statuates regarding horizontal adjustment. The info for vertical aim is very common but you could easily be doing as much harm by incorrectly misaiming horizontally too...

So why is this information non existent!?
Agreed. I've called and wrote Toyota and each time they say "our headlights meet all safety standards, blah blah blah". And that baffles me because the headlights blind everyone! I can see why others install after market headlights because why should they give a shit if Toyota doesn't. Ten people will have to die before they change anything!

Anyways, if anyone cares i created a petition at change.org. Your support would be helpful. Some have already started to help out.

https://www.change.org/p/toyota-moto...ing-too-bright
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Agreed. I've called and wrote Toyota and each time they say "our headlights meet all safety standards, blah blah blah". And that baffles me because the headlights blind everyone! I can see why others install after market headlights because why should they give a shit if Toyota doesn't. Ten people will have to die before they change anything!

Anyways, if anyone cares i created a petition at change.org. Your support would be helpful. Some have already started to help out.

https://www.change.org/p/toyota-moto...ing-too-bright
Actually, I heard it's 20 deaths before they tell you that you should fix the problem... at least that's what Takata is doing with their airbags.
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Actually, I heard it's 20 deaths before they tell you that you should fix the problem... at least that's what Takata is doing with their airbags.
Really . On reddit i seen a car where the steering wheel spins around on its own. It was pretty funny. can't find it but here's another

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Hey Raf here's an updated story from TTAC dated December 31, 2017
Try not to get too upset when you reach the last sentence...

The IIHS is Hoping For a Bright Future When it Comes to Headlights
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Even though headlights have evolved from uniform circles illuminating the roadway in largely the same way to diverse units that look and function very differently, their overall performance has improved immensely. Nobody is going to jump from a 1955 DeSoto to a 2018 Dodge and think “Wow, these headlamps are just terrible.”

However, the International Institute for Highway Safety has been on a two-year mission to make modern headlights look bad and there are two possible explanations as to why. Either the IIHS genuinely believes the current offerings from manufacturers are unsafe, or it’s trying to promote competition within the industry to produce a better bulb. The truth, as usual, is likely somewhere in the middle.

Original equipment manufacturers have begun incorporating headlight design as part of the vehicle’s overall styling. Headlamps are now almost as indicative of a specific brand as the grille or taillights. But the IIHS thinks the move has resulted in OEMs prioritizing style over functionality. The group’s updated illumination metrics absolutely devastated its Top Safety Pick List for 2018 and we ran story-after-story outlining specific segments where the vast-majority of models had underperforming headlights.

In July of 2016, the IIHS couldn’t find a single vehicle in the small SUV category with forward illumination that it would consider good. In fact, over two thirds of the vehicles it tested were given a “poor” score. The group has called its findings “concerning,” citing blinding risks and lackluster from-the-factory aiming as possible hazards for nighttime driving.

Has two-years of condemnation made a difference? Not universally. While some vehicles have improved their headlights to repair a damaged safety rating, Automotive News referenced a handful of popular domestic models from Ford and General Motors that didn’t make the cut — garnering a marginal or poor score. While GM declined to comment a spokesperson from Ford said, “Safety continues to be one of the highest priorities in the design of our vehicles. Ford develops headlamps for our vehicles through rigorous real-world driving and customer feedback. Ford is committed to meeting or exceeding applicable federal motor vehicle safety laws.”

In some respects, it’s unfair to expect an immediate shift in manufacturing to account for testing that didn’t even exist two years ago. Matthew Brumbelow, a senior research engineer at the insurance institute, admitted insurance group’s headlight studies are still new to consumers. The first study was released in March 2016 and he said said the organization is testing headlights “more dynamically” than most automakers had previously experienced.

“We’ve already seen some manufacturers go back and change their design — or more commonly, tighten up their aiming process at the factory,” Brumbelow said. “There’s still a long way to go, but we’re glad we’ve seen the improvements.”

One such manufacturer was Kia. The 2016 and 2017 Kia Sorento, 2017 Sportage and 2016 Optima all received poor scores from the IIHS. However the 2017 Optima has since received a good score, while the 2018 Sorento was upgraded to an acceptable score. In a statement to Automotive News, Kia Motors America said that vehicle safety is a priority for the automaker but said the insurance group’s testing “goes well beyond federal requirements and is only one of the many tests used to evaluate vehicles.”

“Kia will carefully evaluate the results of the new IIHS test procedure, along with the results of all other tests, as part of its commitment to continuous product improvement,” the automaker said.

Todd Morgan, senior vice president of global product development at Varroc Lighting Systems, thinks supplier innovation will be a key aspect in helping OEMs improve headlamp scores. In addition to new products, like upgraded LED technology, Morgan says existing products like automatic headlight-leveling could be helpful. Used to help re-aim beams when a vehicle is weighed down in the back, leveling is mandatory in Europe but not the United States.

Morgan and Brumbelow also agree that adaptive driving beams, which allow high beams to light a driver’s entire path, with the exception of any oncoming vehicles, are the next big step. While the technology has cropped up in Europe and Japan, U.S. regulations don’t yet permit it. “It’s not yet legal on the road in the United States, which is really a shame because this is a huge advancement in safety,” Morgan said. “Everything is automated.”

The NHTSA is currently conducting research on the use of adaptive driving beams in other countries. However, it declined to comment on its progress. Presently it mandates the limits for maximum and minimum intensity of headlight beams but doesn’t take aspects, like aim, into account.
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Yep, I'm still here hating Toyota Corollas. But maybe this is why. Maybe the company has done all it could but the laws prevent them from enforcing auto aiming headlights. I still flash my high beams at the ones with ultra bright lights and make me feel like I"m entering warp 9 light speed. And I know I'm right. I see that they changed the lights on the 2018, and they don't blind. The problem is noted all over the forums, carcomplaints.com, and other sites. So the 2016/17 ones I will continue to flash them until they take that piece of shit back to the dealership to have the headlights aimed. I'm sick of being blinded! I just see it as the most disrespectful thing ever and it has made me hate Toyota now. They know about it too, but until someone dies it's all good.
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Interestingly enough I was sitting in subway for lunch the other day and some new Toyota thing pulled up. While buddy was ordering i snapped a pic of this thing....



Buddy sat at the window seat next to me after I starred at this thing for 5min. And eventually I turned to him and asked "WTF is that thing?" lol. It looks hideous but has some cool things like auto power folding mirrors, all the electrical crap, heated front window, heated washer crap, etc. I think they use 3 small LED lights for the highbeam...?

He is a salesmen for Toyota up the road. The Acura sales guys look like 1950 mob hitman, but he didn't look like that at all. We talked about how Toyota doesn't have a premium edition or true Type-S anything, which is a shame. They slap some skirts on, give it a spoiler and it's now a type S.

I brought up the headlight issue and he made some interesting points. He noted that the law for auto-aiming headlamps which is not present in Canada is a big thing. And the other thing is that Toyota just plays off any complains or tells the user it was a 'glare issue', which was addressed in later models. But overall he didn't care about it and just laughed it off saying "ya, they are bright".

He asked what I was driving and I pointed at my Acura. He said.... "is that a 2014?" .... I said "2004".

Then i slowly let the conversation die....... as he asked if I was into SUVs
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