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Old 11-26-2003, 08:15 PM   #21
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lol, you're going to love this thread.
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Old 12-04-2003, 02:55 AM   #22
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Here are some pictures of the caliper and pads. Top piston is the larger and the pads seem to wear evenly after 8k miles and has about 60% of pad material left.





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Old 12-04-2003, 02:21 PM   #23
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lol, you're going to love this thread.
http://www.importspeed-south.com/for...8771#post48771
Damn, Busted... Tearing him a new one eh?
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Old 12-04-2003, 04:37 PM   #24
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um... it just looks like you have legend calipers. the bleeder valve and the sizing of the pistons are consistent for legends.

but since i don't know who and where you got the calipers from, i can only take your word that these are really ATR calipers from europe.

but in my opinion, you have legend calipers.
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Old 12-04-2003, 04:58 PM   #25
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Damn, Busted... Tearing him a new one eh?
He's actually a cool guy, I've met him. I just think sometimes people stick their foot in their mouths and then try to save face.

It's ok I don't mind. I know of one way to mount them correctly (in the right direction) and still be able to bleed them correctly. But if that's what he claims is his "house's" secrect then he's guarding common knowledge.
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Old 12-04-2003, 05:45 PM   #26
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i'd imagine if there is enough play on the hose, and you have someone helping you, it's very easy to bleed this right. before mounting the calipers onto the car, just flip them 180 and bleed.

but i think for those who do not possess the mechanical and technical know-how to do this, they may have a hard(er) time finding a shop willing to bother to do it right.

when there's a will, there's a way.
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Old 12-04-2003, 06:17 PM   #27
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i'd imagine if there is enough play on the hose, and you have someone helping you, it's very easy to bleed this right. before mounting the calipers onto the car, just flip them 180 and bleed.

but i think for those who do not possess the mechanical and technical know-how to do this, they may have a hard(er) time finding a shop willing to bother to do it right.

when there's a will, there's a way.
Exactly, Just bleed them before you secure them to the bracket.

I still don't like that idea though. What if the car ever has to be serviced by some moron?
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Old 12-17-2003, 07:13 PM   #28
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question why exacly wouldent it work if you take the left caliper and put on the right and vice versa bleeder onther right side so is the pistons why woudent it work ? please help
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Old 12-17-2003, 07:48 PM   #29
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... it will work, just not recommended.

let's use this analogy: if you have some z-rated low profile tires that are uni-directional (meaning it must be mounted a certain way), do you think it's wise to disregard the tread design and just mount the tires backwards?

if your answer to the above is, "No," then does it make sense for you to mount a uni-directional caliper backwards?
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Old 01-19-2004, 03:11 PM   #30
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IMHO for the bit of extra work to bleed with the caliper pointed up its worth it. What's a vacuum pump cost anyway, $30? Makes life simpler anyway since you don't need someone pumping on the pedal for you.
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Old 03-29-2004, 06:46 PM   #31
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Brembo's website has an excellent FAQ :

http://www.brembo.it/hp_faq.htm

I have had the Legend 2-pots on my accord for about 9 months. They are installed with the L on R and R on L so the bleeder screw is at the top. The pads show no sign of uneven wear, but I do plan on reinstalling the calipers so the R is on R and L on L simply because they were designed to contact the rotor in that order. I can say from first-hand experience that the way the brakes are installed now on my accord results in a lot more stopping power!

I feel that anyone who is taking the time to upgrade their brake system is knowledgeable enough to know how to remove the caliper and bleed it upside down. Generally, these are the type of enthusiasts (like myself) who perform their own repairs and maintainence. You have made a good point that this caliper upgrade may make your car harder to trade in; however I, for one, have kept my stock parts and will be returning the Accord to stock should I want to trade it in. That means not only returning the brakes to stock, (not the rear disc conversion however), as well as the suspension, engine swap, etc. In short, people that are going to perform this brake upgrade generally are not interested in what they plan on doing down the road when they trade their car in. Like my best friend says: "We'll cross that bridge when we get to it."

USC's article states that the NSX calipers have different sized pistions. This is incorrect. The NSX calipers have the same sized pistons. They also are trailing edge calipers, but this means nothing to the person who is going to put R on L and L on R to have the bleeder screw at the top because there will be no loss in performance with equally sized pistons.

Here is my brake set-up on my 91 Accord EX: the aforementioned Legend 2-pots, AV6 rotors, and rear converted to disc. I have the stock prop valve and master cylinder. Does it work? Yes. Does it outperform the stock set-up? Yes. Could it be better? Yes.
But dollar for dollar, this is a great brake set-up that clears OEM 15" wheels.

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Old 03-29-2004, 08:49 PM   #32
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USC's article states that the NSX calipers have different sized pistions. This is incorrect. The NSX calipers have the same sized pistons. They also are trailing edge calipers, but this means nothing to the person who is going to put R on L and L on R to have the bleeder screw at the top because there will be no loss in performance with equally sized pistons.

Here is my brake set-up on my 91 Accord EX: the aforementioned Legend 2-pots, AV6 rotors, and rear converted to disc. I have the stock prop valve and master cylinder. Does it work? Yes. Does it outperform the stock set-up? Yes. Could it be better? Yes.
But dollar for dollar, this is a great brake set-up that clears OEM 15" wheels.

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hm... refer to attached image.

last i checked.. that is called a "leading edge" caliper. as far as piston sizes, i never saw one so i can't confirm or deny the pistons. you sure you're not gulping too many cans of those beer?
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Old 03-30-2004, 07:16 AM   #33
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Boy do I feel like an idiot this morning. First let me say that I was still on my first beer when I typed that last night.



The NSX calipers ARE leading edge, and they DO have different sized pistons.

this is a good thread: click me

U DA man USC, but I'll stick with my legend swap.

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Old 04-06-2004, 09:56 PM   #34
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So what the?

So which brake setup should I go with? I'd like to correct piston on the caliper to be in the right place, and I'd like the bleeder valve to be in the right position. Are there any other 2 piston calipers that will fit on the fifth gen Accord without dropping bank? Or will I have to deal with removing the caliper, flipping it upside down and throwing a 2x4 inside to bleed the air out of the system? What about the CL calipers? Are they 2 piston? Will they fit? Or how about the NSX calipers? Aren't they the same calipers that are on the Legend? If so, would it even matter between using either one? There's a lot of good information you guys are throwing out....but a little clarification is necessary! Thanx!
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Old 04-07-2004, 05:34 AM   #35
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Re: So what the?

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So which brake setup should I go with? I'd like to correct piston on the caliper to be in the right place, and I'd like the bleeder valve to be in the right position. Are there any other 2 piston calipers that will fit on the fifth gen Accord without dropping bank? Or will I have to deal with removing the caliper, flipping it upside down and throwing a 2x4 inside to bleed the air out of the system? What about the CL calipers? Are they 2 piston? Will they fit? Or how about the NSX calipers? Aren't they the same calipers that are on the Legend? If so, would it even matter between using either one? There's a lot of good information you guys are throwing out....but a little clarification is necessary! Thanx!
did you read the info in the initial post at all?!?!?!!?!?
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Old 04-10-2004, 11:08 PM   #36
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Brakes.

If you're talking about the post with the Acura Legend Brake article, then yes! There have been quite a few posts on different setups, discussing pro's and con's. I was simply asking if there were calipers that would bolt up leaving the caliper in the proper position (article) and avoiding the necesity to remove the caliper, flip it upside down and using a 2x4 to bleed the line. Since then I was able to locate a Wilwood 4 pot setup for the front and a 2 pot setup for the rear with larger rotors at a great price.
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Old 04-11-2004, 02:43 PM   #37
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Figures.

Well....once again (in my case) it was a "TGTBT" scenario! The vendor was misleading me! What's new right? Looks like I'm going to go for one of the swaps discussed.
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Old 04-17-2004, 12:37 PM   #38
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NSX setup

Will the NSX calipers bolt up to my car (1997 Accord SE) R on R, L on L with the bleeder on top, and the pistons in the correct order? Also....what's the largest rotor I can run with the NSX calipers and which bracket will I need?
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Old 04-18-2004, 11:02 PM   #39
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i would like to know too!?

help
also what are the bigger rotor options? lude vs. V6? are they the same size? anything else diff between the 2?
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Old 04-23-2004, 12:37 PM   #40
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Well I just read the through this and my question is ,do you think the prelude calipers would be a viable upgrade? They should mount up correctly dont you think.(to "usc") I feel this upgrade would benifit me since I no longer have the stock motor. As for front brake bias, that is controled soley by the proportioning valve,not the size of the calipers.

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