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looking to start an f22a1 build, but need some guidance

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    #16
    Originally posted by Stoner51 View Post
    If you are looking for reliable and dependable, and you can not build an engine yourself. My advice would be to get an H22.

    I know you think you want to build a motor. But you need to measure stuff with micrometers replace bearings and forged rods and pistons will run almost as much as an H22 will run and that is no cam or springs.

    I thought this would be fun to do. It started with a head and intake change. Then I got to reading and researching. I finally decided that I could get more reliable power with a Honda built not Steve built motor. There is one member on here that has put a lot of effort into building a F and haw done a great job.
    But in the end I am not that person. Maybe you are. Be realistic in YOUR abilities.

    my 2 cents. Maybe in a year I will be able to build but now I didn't feel comfortable.

    Just throwing this advice out there.

    Good luck.


    steve
    I have access to all the specialty tools and many people who have been at this for ages. I have a lot of time to work on this too and I don't need to complete this build this year, but I would like to get headed into the proper direction.

    Also thanks for the luck, I will need it.

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      #17
      You're in the right position to learn, then. Having access to the proper tools is more than most people have.

      Buy that book, and read it. Then learn in detail what you'll need to do each step of the way. It will take time, but if you manage to do it slow and understand exactly what you're doing (and why), you'll be an expert by the end of the build.






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        #18
        Originally posted by deevergote View Post
        You're in the right position to learn, then. Having access to the proper tools is more than most people have.

        Buy that book, and read it. Then learn in detail what you'll need to do each step of the way. It will take time, but if you manage to do it slow and understand exactly what you're doing (and why), you'll be an expert by the end of the build.
        I will do that and catch up with this later thank you for the help so far.

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          #19
          I have heard, and remember, this is just hearsay, that a stock motor with a clean, precise stock rebuild can hold up to 9 lbs. of boost. I'd say if a stock K23 can utilize a turbo, then why can't any other low compression Honda motor?

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            #20
            Because the F22A pistons are crap. Most all F/H pistons are. The ringlands break very easily. And this isn't just something people spout off because they heard it one time. There is a ton of documented proof of this happening and it all happens because of prolonged boost. Replacing pistons will give you a margin for error necessary to lightly boost reliably. But, as with anything else, any situation could be different and there's no guarantees that your other components will last then either.
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              #21
              They're not crap... they're just not designed for use with turbo. The materials are not made for the heat and pressure.

              And a stock rebuild will indeed hold. Until it blows. The internet is full of "mine is working fine!" stories, but not a whole lot of "mine just blew up" followups.






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                #22
                The stock pistons are cast aluminum. They are strong enough for their intended purpose, but when you add more heat and pressure to them they break at their weakest point. K23 can handle the turbo since it was engineered for such a purpose, where-as the F22A was not engineered with a turbo in mind.

                Forged pistons are formed out of a solid aluminum block. The process to form them involves high heat and pressure, so as you can imagine, it can handle higher combustion temperatures and pressures. I could get into the molecular science of how forging is stronger than casting, but anyone who paid attention in high school knows this. Plus there's google.
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                  #23
                  It's also explained in pretty understandable terms on pages 58-59 of the book I mentioned earlier






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                    #24
                    i had to go to the mainland and barnes and nobles just to get that book. its a wealth of knowledge, as well as very period specific to our generation of Accords. a must buy for any Honda enthusiast. any more recommendations Deev? I've got this other book, i got it the same time as the one you mentioned, but this ones on Engine Management. when i find it ill post the name up.

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                      #25
                      Engine Management Systems by Jeff Hartman? That's a decent one as well, though the info isn't as useful for beginners. I found that it was filled with info that I already knew, or didn't know enough to make use of.

                      I truly found that the Kojima book was the absolute best starting point for a true beginner working with older Hondas. The info is dated (the K series was JUST coming out as that book was written), and there are even some blatantly errors (he says VTECH at one point! ) but overall, the info is easy to understand, presented in a very straightforward manner, and very useful for a beginner to apply without ever having turned a wrench. Kojima's writing style is also entertaining at times.
                      He's been active on various forums in the past. It's a shame he never found his way here! He's a huge Sentra fan.






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                        #26
                        Originally posted by deevergote View Post
                        Honda/Acura Engine Performance by Mike Kojima.
                        How can this book be useful when it comes to building an F22? (other than basic knowledge of internals and components of course)

                        It is written specifically for H, D, and B series motors.

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                          #27
                          Have you read it?






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                            #28
                            Originally posted by deevergote View Post
                            Have you read it?
                            No, but I did just order it. I wasnt trying to be an ass or anything lol. I just wanted to know exactly how relevant it was to the F series.

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                              #29
                              The information regarding VTEC and some aftermarket parts are H/B-specific, yes... but the general information regarding the function of the engine, the function of upgraded parts, the importance of materials used (for example, high silicon pistons vs. low silcon pistons), the function of turbos, superchargers, and nitrous oxide...
                              90% of that book can be applied directly to the F22A.






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                                #30
                                Ok Deev I have read the book you recommended. I have now come up with my goal and budget.

                                I have a budget of between 6k-10k.

                                I would like to get between 300whp-350whp.

                                I was wondering if this is accomplishable on my f22a1 or if I should swap motors?

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