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Old 09-20-2018, 05:04 PM   #1
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Are Mugen MS-Z semi-bucket seats really Mugen?

I spent the day reading through the "What seats will fit?" thread and a couple of other seat threads and... wow, chaos mostly. So far with the exception of a few seats close to our generation it seems like non-CB OEM or Aftermarket seats are both sort of labor intensive when it comes to swaps. I have a few questions related to seats and the first one is:

Is anyone familiar with Mugen seats? Are Mugen MS-Z's really Mugen? I know Mugen didn't exactly support our platform but I was under the impression they had sort of faded away.

Second Question: If they are real why are the only MS-Z applications for the CR-Z and the Fit? No RSX, no S2K, no application for any of the sporty older models that someone who loves an old-school tuner could rep as a new product from an old company. Oh yeah, and it would be nice to have those applications because we already know people have done the CB swap with those stock seats.

Third: This one is a stretch I'm sure, but, are CR-Z or Fit seat rails anywhere close to the dimensions of a CB? I tried to find technical info for the seat rails on a couple of the sites that were selling them. I couldn't find anything on the ones that were in English and I don't speak Japanese so the others were a bust too.

Anyway thanks for y'alls time.
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Old 09-28-2018, 09:57 PM   #2
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Mugen MS-Z seats have a Recaro logo in the middle. Recaro made the JDM ITR seats.

The MS-Z look quite similar to the Recaro Speed seats, but the seatbelt loops are different.

That being said, King Motorsports lists needing Recaro rails to work.

My guess is something like these rails from Planted would let you make the seats fit properly.

Having authentic Mugen seats would be cool and all, but at $2,000 a seat it's a lot of $$$ for the car. You could easily get a set of JDM ITR Recaros for significantly less.
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Old 09-29-2018, 01:57 PM   #3
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So when talking about aftermarket seats, I try to stay away from the use of the word "rails". Because that word itself can be kind of misleading. The "rails" are generally made up of 2 parts, the base, and the slider. For OEM seats it works, because most often both pieces are integrated into the stock seat pan anyway, as the stock seats are one whole unit. But for aftermarket seats, its much less confusing if you call them by their actual names.

So most aftermarket reclineable seats are bottom mounted. Which is exactly what the MS-Z appear to be. They are made by Recaro, but specifically for Mugen. So while you may find a similar Recaro seat, you will never find one in the exact color/pattern as the Mugen ones.

So for bottom mount seats, you need the seat, and to the seat you attach a slider, then to the slider you attach a base, which then bolts to the floor. For the sliders, I would highly recommend using Recaro ones, as the bolt holes should line up without issue. Otherwise Sparco sliders are another good option. For base, I'd recommend either Planted Technology, or Sparco. There are other brands but these two have the best and strongest designed bases. I have the Planted ones myself and can vouch for them.

So, to clarify, you would need 2 of these:

http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/mm...ECARO-HARDWARE



And one each of these (one Driver, and one Passenger side):

http://www.plantedtechnology.com/pro...iver-left.html

http://www.plantedtechnology.com/pro...ger-right.html
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Old 09-29-2018, 06:24 PM   #4
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So when talking about aftermarket seats, I try to stay away from the use of the word "rails". Because that word itself can be kind of misleading. The "rails" are generally made up of 2 parts, the base, and the slider. For OEM seats it works, because most often both pieces are integrated into the stock seat pan anyway, as the stock seats are one whole unit. But for aftermarket seats, its much less confusing if you call them by their actual names.

So most aftermarket reclineable seats are bottom mounted. Which is exactly what the MS-Z appear to be. They are made by Recaro, but specifically for Mugen. So while you may find a similar Recaro seat, you will never find one in the exact color/pattern as the Mugen ones.

So for bottom mount seats, you need the seat, and to the seat you attach a slider, then to the slider you attach a base, which then bolts to the floor. For the sliders, I would highly recommend using Recaro ones, as the bolt holes should line up without issue. Otherwise Sparco sliders are another good option. For base, I'd recommend either Planted Technology, or Sparco. There are other brands but these two have the best and strongest designed bases. I have the Planted ones myself and can vouch for them.

So, to clarify, you would need 2 of these:

http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/mm...ECARO-HARDWARE



And one each of these (one Driver, and one Passenger side):

http://www.plantedtechnology.com/pro...iver-left.html

http://www.plantedtechnology.com/pro...ger-right.html
Fair enough, I thought those planted pieces when I looked quickly were an all in one setup. My Corbeau setup was an all-in-one option (sliders and rails).

Those Recaro sliders are dual locking, correct?

My Corbeau sliders are double locking compared to the single locking option and came much more
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Old 09-29-2018, 10:08 PM   #5
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Fair enough, I thought those planted pieces when I looked quickly were an all in one setup. My Corbeau setup was an all-in-one option (sliders and rails).

Those Recaro sliders are dual locking, correct?

My Corbeau sliders are double locking compared to the single locking option and came much more
Some times you can find an all in one setup, depending on the manufacturer and the car its for.

Yes, they are dual locking. I had single locking ones, they were terrible. Switched to dual locking and its so much better.
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Old 10-02-2018, 11:36 AM   #6
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Awesome, I appreciate the input! The Slider/Base explanation cleared up some confusion I was having so thank you both on that as well. I must say that I like the idea that they are manufactured by Recaro. Definitely not excited about the price, but at the end of the day I feel like ITR Recaro's belong in a DC, only because were getting to the point that they may become scarce. I'm still fuzzy on why they only have those two applications though(Fit/Jazz and CRZ), just seems like a weird choice when there are plenty of folks who grew up wanting to do a '90s-'00s build and some are now at the age where they have the means to fork out Mugen money haha.
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Old 10-02-2018, 06:46 PM   #7
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Awesome, I appreciate the input! The Slider/Base explanation cleared up some confusion I was having so thank you both on that as well. I must say that I like the idea that they are manufactured by Recaro. Definitely not excited about the price, but at the end of the day I feel like ITR Recaro's belong in a DC, only because were getting to the point that they may become scarce. I'm still fuzzy on why they only have those two applications though(Fit/Jazz and CRZ), just seems like a weird choice when there are plenty of folks who grew up wanting to do a '90s-'00s build and some are now at the age where they have the means to fork out Mugen money haha.
Now that I think about it...air bags in the seats might be a reason. I don't know what models do / don't come with airbags, or powered seats, or heated seats, etc.

Maybe there's a wiring thing that can cause havoc.
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Old 10-03-2018, 08:49 AM   #8
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You may be on to something, I didn't even think about electrical. I'm used to not having airbags and whatnot so it's easy to miss updated trends. 'Course I'd just as soon avoid anything to do with electrical but I'm starting to come to term with the inevitable: At some point I'm gonna have to tackle all of the electrical issues going on with my car.
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