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Old 02-05-2010, 08:11 PM   #81
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That build uses Illumina shocks, which are pretty crappy honestly. Even the AGX is a better shock, and most definitely a Koni, and some full coilovers. They were able to achieve high skidpad g's with that setup, so using today's better parts and technology, a 1g cb7 isn't unreasonable at all. I bet Ronald_Type-R's does more than that.
On the CB7 I find the AGX to be completely inferior to the Illumina. Doesn't have enough travel, doesn't last as long, and the damping curves seem to be no better.
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Old 02-05-2010, 08:54 PM   #82
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On the CB7 I find the AGX to be completely inferior to the Illumina. Doesn't have enough travel, doesn't last as long, and the damping curves seem to be no better.
I don't know about longevity, but the AGX tends to have better or equivalent compression numbers from what I've seen, and there is usually less crosstalk on the AGX. The compression has a greater affect on planting the wheels and that is where the illumina seems to lack. The rebound adjustment is generally better on the illumina though from what I've seen. I haven't seen graphs from the CB7 specifically, but I have for a couple of other cars...a mustang and a civic. I imagine the trends would be similar though because the technology on the inside of each shock is the same across multiple applications. Have you seen any cb7 graphs?
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Old 02-06-2010, 01:20 PM   #83
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I don't know about longevity, but the AGX tends to have better or equivalent compression numbers from what I've seen, and there is usually less crosstalk on the AGX. The compression has a greater affect on planting the wheels and that is where the illumina seems to lack. The rebound adjustment is generally better on the illumina though from what I've seen. I haven't seen graphs from the CB7 specifically, but I have for a couple of other cars...a mustang and a civic. I imagine the trends would be similar though because the technology on the inside of each shock is the same across multiple applications. Have you seen any cb7 graphs?
My car came with AGXs and I replaced them with Tokico Illuminas which have allowed the car to handle much better.


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I am really debating getting a bigger rear sway... with Goodyear Eagle RS-As and 440/300# springs on Illuminas the car does NOT break traction under nearly any circumstances (I have yet to), but it leans so heavily. I almost feel like I don't have sway bars. I'm at the absolute limit of the balance of handling and traction spring/shock wise (Yellows would def improve low speed damping but it's not worth the $$$ to me), but a rear sway would keep the lean in check. Hopefully keep a little weight off the outside tires and prevent scrubbing.
Have you experienced understeer yet?


Adding a rear sway bar will help to fix the problem of understeering.
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Old 02-07-2010, 02:17 AM   #84
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My car came with AGXs and I replaced them with Tokico Illuminas which have allowed the car to handle much better.
If the car came with the AGX's they could have been blown, and also the different shocks performing differently could be affected by the spring you were using. The Illumina may have a better adjustment range for the rebound, so the car has better turn-in characteristics and it handles better. I feel like the AGX would be the better shock for traction on irregular surfaces though(ie, public roads).
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Old 02-07-2010, 02:35 PM   #85
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If the car came with the AGX's they could have been blown, and also the different shocks performing differently could be affected by the spring you were using. The Illumina may have a better adjustment range for the rebound, so the car has better turn-in characteristics and it handles better. I feel like the AGX would be the better shock for traction on irregular surfaces though(ie, public roads).
Having had similar setups with both AGX and Illumina on the Accord, the Illumina is better. It rides better, handles better and sits lower. The only real downside I have found is that the adjustment for the illuminas is on the top of the shock, which makes the rears a pain in the ass to adjust. But other than that, I have found absolutely no downsides to the illumina on the Accord. So far, they have lasted longer as well.
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Old 02-07-2010, 02:44 PM   #86
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Having had similar setups with both AGX and Illumina on the Accord, the Illumina is better. It rides better, handles better and sits lower. The only real downside I have found is that the adjustment for the illuminas is on the top of the shock, which makes the rears a pain in the ass to adjust. But other than that, I have found absolutely no downsides to the illumina on the Accord. So far, they have lasted longer as well.
How long did your AGX's last and how long have you had the Illumina's on? What springs? What settings were/are you running each at? I just want to find out fact and truth in these suspension threads, not argue. Everyone makes general statements and assumptions about one part vs another, but I want to be specific to the CB, so maybe post up your opinions in the spring, coilover, and damper thread for people to see, since that's exactly what that sticky is about.
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Old 02-07-2010, 03:11 PM   #87
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How long did your AGX's last and how long have you had the Illumina's on? What springs? What settings were/are you running each at? I just want to find out fact and truth in these suspension threads, not argue. Everyone makes general statements and assumptions about one part vs another, but I want to be specific to the CB, so maybe post up your opinions in the spring, coilover, and damper thread for people to see, since that's exactly what that sticky is about.
The illuminas are around 70K if I had to guess. They were put on well before 200K, and it has just over 250K on it now... Now, I am not saying that illuminas outlast all shocks, merely that in my experience they have outlasted the AGX's. I would probably opt for the Neuspeed specific Konis if I had it to do over again. Although, I can tell you, also from experience, that Tockico DOES stand behind the lifetime warranty. I had a friend with an illumina that blew, and they replaced it no questions asked, free of charge. In fact, I think they sent him a new set of 4 shocks, although don't quote me on that, because it was a long time ago. I also at one point lost one of the adjusting caps, and they sent me 8 more when I asked for a few more.

All the data is in the MR thread.

The AGX's were somewhere around 40-50K by the time they needed replaced, and they were also on a set of sport springs, although H&R instead of Neuspeed. The Accord on illuminas sits lower than on AGX's, even though the springs were pretty similar. Also, we put the old springs on new shocks (I think they may have been blues, but don't remember anymore), and it sat lower too, so it was the AGX's that were limiting the ride height. They also did not ride as well as my current setup.

The only complaint I have about the Illuminas and Neuspeed sports is that there isn't really a damping curve that seems to match the springs perfectly. They are either just a touch stiffer than I would like, or a touch softer. So, I just put up with the little bit of stiffness. The ride is still perfectly acceptable though, and on "public roads" the handling is superb, although there is a little more initial lean due to the progressive nature of the spring.

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Old 04-26-2011, 01:57 PM   #88
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Awsome find and awesome article..... I cant get over smiling about this statement from the article;

"...the 1993 Accord now corners as well as a BMW M3."

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Old 04-26-2011, 02:15 PM   #89
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Awsome find and awesome article..... I cant get over smiling about this statement from the article;

"...the 1993 Accord now corners as well as a BMW M3."

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You need a quality setup though. Much of what people are running here is nowhere near as good as even the pretty simple setup they have.

I would really love to do a handling & ride quality test with some of the popular setups out there.
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That setup is a bit dated even. You could easily improve upon it without much additional cost. Not to mention tires have gotten better since then. It is a good first step in the right direction to a proper suspension though.
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:09 AM   #91
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You need a quality setup though. Much of what people are running here is nowhere near as good as even the pretty simple setup they have.

I would really love to do a handling & ride quality test with some of the popular setups out there.
Oh i know this, im just looking at what little they did to this CB in the article and the comparison to an M3...says quite a lot. I understand most people toss some coilovers on stock struts, ive played that game for years myself and I understand its a money thing. Ive actually got a nice setup and am working on improving it even plus am planning on the ES bushing installation soon! Just good to know that with even a minimum investment our cars can handle like a much higher end car
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Old 04-28-2011, 01:31 AM   #92
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Its a strong possibility that this summer I buy a license for WinGeo or SusProg and model the CB7 suspension. At that point, we can basically numerically prove what setup/s are "the best" for the CB7.
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:22 PM   #93
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i use ecedy coilovers and my car handles like a beast i welded bars all through the trunk/seating area kinda like a roll cage cb7s flex alot ive owned lots of civics and integras last car was a corrado vr6 and my cb flexes like a bitch but not any more shes stiff (late night after bars it gives the girls something to brace on when i push dey guts in )ha ha
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:10 PM   #98
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Old 11-14-2017, 07:42 PM   #99
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I've had the car sliding on all 4 tires around a corner. And when you have the power to pull out of the corner it's cool. But having the rear slide out too is a big surprise the first time. It's like "ohhh.... you're coming to the party too??? what!"

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Speaking of the backend coming out, last Sunday I took a buddy for a ride in Lola. He's been meaning to go all summer and just hasn't had a chance. Well around a long sweeping corner we had the rear come out about 12" while speeding was quite an interesting experience. Granted she brought the rear end right back under control, but still was interesting.
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