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Old 02-27-2019, 04:47 PM   #21
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Ya, I love the Golf R / GTI inside to be honest. I find their seats are the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in. My body tingles sitting in them yet the seats look so simple. I just wish they made a sedan version of the GTI or made it look more manly.
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Old 03-03-2019, 03:49 PM   #22
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^ There are four-door GTIs. A hatchback will give you as much cargo space as a trunk, if not more. I don't know what you mean by "manly," unless you want something with more Charger SRT-esque "macho"-ness, but they're perfectly mature looking cars.

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Old 03-03-2019, 05:06 PM   #23
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The GTI’s plaid seats are rad. I wish more companies did that!
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Hi all

Just wanted to thank everyone who helped me with this. I was || this close to buying a Audi S4 when this amazing ride showed up for sale. Guy needed a SUV as him and his wife were having a baby.

2017 Audi S4 S-Line 6 speed. Sedan / Black on Black The rear seats are amazing, the technology is overwhelming, and the ride is amazing. I will admit that the clutch pedal travel is far more than the Acura but I'm getting use to it. If anyone knows more secrets of this rig please PM me.











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Old 05-21-2019, 07:37 PM   #25
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Black on black on black on black. Beautiful! Audi has some of the very best designs, and they age extremely well. That thing will look like a new car for a decade!
2017, so I assume you still have some factory warranty left?
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Black on black on black on black. Beautiful! Audi has some of the very best designs, and they age extremely well. That thing will look like a new car for a decade!
2017, so I assume you still have some factory warranty left?
Yes, still have 4 years /80,000km. Car now has 37,000km. May purchase the extended warranty. Part of me thinks it's too rare to drive as a daily driver :P
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I wouldn't mind a wagon version of that, don't think they make it in manual though. Beautiful find sir!

And regarding daily driving it: screw it, that's why you bought it. Enjoy the heck out of it while it's yours.
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I read somewhere that most new manual cars sold were VW lol. Including the wagon ones.
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Toyota has a few as well. I kinda like that new hatch they have, and of course the new Accord 2.0T (Type-R for adults).
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Guy needed a SUV as him and his wife were having a baby.
Can someone please explain this to me? Crossover sales and their resulting killing-off of many regular cars is frustrating the hell out of me. This move by the consumer makes zero sense unless you have so many children as to justify a third row. As the middle of five kids, and having lived in states as varied as California, South Dakota, and Colorado, I have some practical experience as to why an SUV isn't necessary.

- A two-row SUV doesn't have more room than a sedan, except for a taller trunk, in which case why not get a wagon for even more room?

- As 99% of drivers - even in CO - don't see anything rougher than a dirt road, the ground clearance is pointless. And crossovers, the popular style, aren't any better off road than an AWD car anyway, since they're basically the same thing but with a lift kit. "I want to see over traffic" isn't going to be a thing when every other vehicle on the road is also an SUV and therefore at your same height. I could maybe see justification of the ground clearance in Canada, but the fact that he got the sedan in the first place shows that his life doesn't take him off road and that he doesn't have big problems with snow up there; having a baby in the back seat isn't going to change that.

- Is it safety for your kids you're after? Because crash tests have shown that an SUV isn't any safer for the passengers. All you're doing is hurling more weight at the other car you hit and potentially making it more dangerous for them.

- Fuel economy, if anything, is going to be that little bit worse from the increased weight.

- The "amazing" rear seats you found in this thing (nice car, btw, not trying to take away from your purchase!) make this particular sale all the more confusing.

If it were me, I'd have talked this idiot out of selling his car and went looking somewhere else . I hate people.
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Ya, i agree with you. And I see it as dealerships pushing the market and sheep falling for it. The same way Apple pushes their products to their sheep.

- Remember when everyone wanted a small car?
- Now people don't want large SUV but mini-SUVs, like the Honda HRV
- Why do we need AWD vehicles? Even living in Canada a FWD gets me anywhere I need to go. Maybe if I lived on a mountain.... (this point grinds my gears the most...)
- Exploit laziness to push for automatic transmission...
- Exploit fear of learning to drive proper for safety crap in our cars we don't need


It is sad. Folks will use the excuse "it's easier to get the little one in the back" for buying a SUV, as they don't have to bend over. Car commercials showing these huge AWD SUV going through a mud puddle to justify the AWD technology in it. The way I see it, it's always the women pushing it. They want to sit up high, they want super duper safe, they want features that are not needed, and the man says yes. Can't say I've ever seen/heard of a man say he wanted a specific SUV / Minivan, etc. because "he" wanted it. Seems to always be a wife / family move...
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I'm convinced the SUV is a replacement for the minivan because people got tired of the stigma attached to them. But I don't get why it would matter on the dealership or even manufacturer side of sales. Taking popularity out of the equation and imagining for a second that most humans were actually capable of thinking for themselves: cars or crossovers, they're still pushing vehicles that cost about the same, so why would they care what segment they have to cater to?

Oh, and I forgot to mention I read that the average American family has been getting smaller over the years (source), further disproving that people "need more space because they're having a child."
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SUVs are trendy


That’s all


Cars had their hay day

It’ll come back full swing

Crossovers are a “value” to the consumer because it’s basically an suv at a car price

And the ground clearance/awd dynamic matters. One of my cars is a crossover suv that’s awd. And it’s awesome in the snow. Owns my s6 that’s for sure
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I got dedicated snow tires for my FWD coupe and it's never been stuck (I even drove it up a friend's grandparents' steep slushy-muddy driveway way up in the mountains this winter), but when it's dry it goes back to being an agile little go-kart, so...

And yeah, I'll stop, sorry.
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I got dedicated snow tires for my FWD coupe and it's never been stuck (I even drove it up a friend's grandparents' steep slushy-muddy driveway way up in the mountains this winter), but when it's dry it goes back to being an agile little go-kart, so...

And yeah, I'll stop, sorry.
Fair enough


For me it’s a matter of to clean driveway or not to clean driveway

Awd minivan, I mean crossover, fuck the driveway


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I worked with a 22 year old that HAD to get an AWD crossover. She wanted it for safety, especially in the 1-2 snowstorms we get each year. For her 20 minute highway commute. She was dead set on a Kona. I told her to test drive the HR-V first. She bought the HR-V.

The big SUVs are definitely replacing minivans, and I think they have been for quite some time. Which is a shame, because minivans do the whole family hauling thing better than anything else!
I get true off-road-worthy SUVs having a purpose (that many people never have the need for), and some are good for towing boats or trailers (which I do often see). But those are the real trucks. Not high-riding cars that couldn’t outperform an Impreza in the off road or towing categories.

I always laugh when the “I need it for the kids” argument is made. I have a friend that brags about the fact that she and her brother grew up being carted around in the back of their mother’s Fox body Capri. And that was fine.
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Since SUVs weren't really a thing yet in the early '90s, we had a station wagon with a rear-facing third row. If I remember right, it was an '88-or-so Pontiac Safari with the faux wood sticker down the side. It was the only real way for all seven of us to get from California to South Dakota and back every summer for a few years. The gas must have been cheaper than flying . Six days stuck in a car, but I wouldn't trade the experience for anything.
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You I must admit I think this my last manual car. And the main reason for that is disconnection. Modern manual cars that I've driven are not like the 90's manual cars. Old school cars you are directly connected (as much as possible) with gas/brake/clutch, and especially in the clutch. You know how to stall it, you know what will happen if you pop the clutch at 1000rpm or 3000rpm. You know what the engine will do if you try to take off in 3rd....

Modern cars:
- Soft clutches
- Built in hydraulic dampener systems
- Engine management systems
- Safety management systems (stop wheel slipping by reducing power)
- etc.

I feel so disconnected from this car with the manual. I feel like i'm stepping on a marshmellow while moving a tall shifter that coordinates 2000 other pieces and at the end of that syncronization a gear change happens.

I'd say the only advantage is that I change gears when I want to. Driving rentals lately and automatics are simply annoying in regards to gear finding/searching . I know a hill is coming up so I start manipulating the gas pedal to force the transmission to gear down before the hill, so it doesn't do it 1/4 way up the hill before the car slows down 3mph. Modern auto cars are impressive when it comes to WOT but just driving around..... meh.

The 2004 TSX manual still is a better shifting experience than this car!
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My 09 Fit was a pretty decent manual experience. Granted, that’s an old car now! The pedal is light, though. Dunno if it’s the hydraulics, or just because the CTS-V is the other clutch pedal I was used to. I used to get in the Fit after days of driving just the Cadillac and think the clutch was broken!
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Can someone please explain this to me? Crossover sales and their resulting killing-off of many regular cars is frustrating the hell out of me. This move by the consumer makes zero sense unless you have so many children as to justify a third row. As the middle of five kids, and having lived in states as varied as California, South Dakota, and Colorado, I have some practical experience as to why an SUV isn't necessary.

- A two-row SUV doesn't have more room than a sedan, except for a taller trunk, in which case why not get a wagon for even more room?
Wagons are a dying breed here in the US. It's significantly easier to throw stuff in the back of a SUV/Wagon than it is a sedan 99% of the time.

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- As 99% of drivers - even in CO - don't see anything rougher than a dirt road, the ground clearance is pointless. And crossovers, the popular style, aren't any better off road than an AWD car anyway, since they're basically the same thing but with a lift kit. "I want to see over traffic" isn't going to be a thing when every other vehicle on the road is also an SUV and therefore at your same height. I could maybe see justification of the ground clearance in Canada, but the fact that he got the sedan in the first place shows that his life doesn't take him off road and that he doesn't have big problems with snow up there; having a baby in the back seat isn't going to change that.
In the Northeast huge snowdrifts are a thing. It's a low hanging fruit justification, but I've had to scale drifts at the end of my driveway as I'm on a somewhat busy street and you don't necessarily have the time and space to park at the end of the road prior to snowblowing / shoveling.

Seeing over other traffic is definitely a thing up here. When the majority of vehicles are tall, it helps. Driving the Vette is scary since I'm so low to the ground.

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- Is it safety for your kids you're after? Because crash tests have shown that an SUV isn't any safer for the passengers. All you're doing is hurling more weight at the other car you hit and potentially making it more dangerous for them.

- Fuel economy, if anything, is going to be that little bit worse from the increased weight.

- The "amazing" rear seats you found in this thing (nice car, btw, not trying to take away from your purchase!) make this particular sale all the more confusing.

If it were me, I'd have talked this idiot out of selling his car and went looking somewhere else . I hate people.
I will give you the safety / fuel economy thing. A well designed car is safe period.

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Ya, i agree with you. And I see it as dealerships pushing the market and sheep falling for it. The same way Apple pushes their products to their sheep.

- Remember when everyone wanted a small car?
- Now people don't want large SUV but mini-SUVs, like the Honda HRV
]Mini-SUVs are trendy, but I couldn't imagine trying to do more than one child in one.

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- Why do we need AWD vehicles? Even living in Canada a FWD gets me anywhere I need to go. Maybe if I lived on a mountain.... (this point grinds my gears the most...)
- Exploit laziness to push for automatic transmission...
- Exploit fear of learning to drive proper for safety crap in our cars we don't need
AWD is personal preference, but there have been times that it's saved me when I've either been plowed in somewhere or hit an unexpected slippery spot. Granted FWD and RWD handle different in the snow, but driving my Tacoma with snow tires in RWD isn't an enjoyable experience in the slushy stuff. My STi could pull itself out of things I saw many, many other vehicles get stuck in. For the incremental cost difference I see no reason not to get it.

Transmission is personal preference as well, and has nothing to do with laziness. It's either a situation where you like shifting or you don't. I know plenty of people who can drive manual transmission vehicles more than competently and just don't like it. Automatics these days are so widespread that only on vehicles with manuals available are they still an upcharge. Any fuel savings is minor and in increasingly common cases the automatics are nearly as fast, if not faster, especially in the performance car world.

Safety nannies are a take or leave, but I absolutely love my reverse sensors. They're brilliant in parking lots where people zip around without a care in the world.
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It is sad. Folks will use the excuse "it's easier to get the little one in the back" for buying a SUV, as they don't have to bend over. Car commercials showing these huge AWD SUV going through a mud puddle to justify the AWD technology in it. The way I see it, it's always the women pushing it. They want to sit up high, they want super duper safe, they want features that are not needed, and the man says yes. Can't say I've ever seen/heard of a man say he wanted a specific SUV / Minivan, etc. because "he" wanted it. Seems to always be a wife / family move...
Do you have children? I would have felt exactly the same as you, but having a child changed everything for me. Fitting a flailing 30 pound child into a rear facing car seat is an absolute pain sometimes and it's significantly easier than trying to bend and twist. One wrong move and you've tweaked your back. Being able to hold them out and drop them in is SO much better. I could fight our daughter into a low car, but I couldn't see my wife easily doing it, especially given she's currently pregnant.

Have you seen the size of a car seat recently? With a rear facing seat in my wife's Grand Cherokee and the passenger seat sitting as far back as safe, I'm not particularly comfortable in the passenger seat. I'm not sure I could drive it if I had two rear facing. The JGC has a much larger backseat than anything I've owned previously. I can only imagine trying to do it in a CB / STi. Our stroller which isn't particularly large but was the one compatible with the infant carrier takes up a solid 50-60% of the available trunk floor space in the back.

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You I must admit I think this my last manual car. And the main reason for that is disconnection. Modern manual cars that I've driven are not like the 90's manual cars. Old school cars you are directly connected (as much as possible) with gas/brake/clutch, and especially in the clutch. You know how to stall it, you know what will happen if you pop the clutch at 1000rpm or 3000rpm. You know what the engine will do if you try to take off in 3rd....

Modern cars:
- Soft clutches
- Built in hydraulic dampener systems
- Engine management systems
- Safety management systems (stop wheel slipping by reducing power)
- etc.

I feel so disconnected from this car with the manual. I feel like i'm stepping on a marshmellow while moving a tall shifter that coordinates 2000 other pieces and at the end of that syncronization a gear change happens.

I'd say the only advantage is that I change gears when I want to. Driving rentals lately and automatics are simply annoying in regards to gear finding/searching . I know a hill is coming up so I start manipulating the gas pedal to force the transmission to gear down before the hill, so it doesn't do it 1/4 way up the hill before the car slows down 3mph. Modern auto cars are impressive when it comes to WOT but just driving around..... meh.

The 2004 TSX manual still is a better shifting experience than this car!
Tuning software changes things immensely. My best friend has a 2018 Civic Si with the Hondata flash. The car drives night and day different with and without the flash. Hondata has integrated traction control into their flash and it is brilliant.

That being said, you can pry my manuals out of my cold dead hands. I waited almost 2 months for my specially allocated manual Tacoma and I plan on keeping it until it breaks in half under me.

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