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Originally posted by GhostAccord View Postmy next purchase will be RWD!
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http://www.speedhunters.com/2017/03/...or-just-right/
I guess it is $35k MSRP.
The paint seems to be making a big difference in how I look at this car, because I'm actually liking it in good ol' Championship White. Maybe it's just the photo editing in these particular shots. Obviously this car is everywhere these days, and with how I keep seeing it everywhere recently, I'm warming up to the design quicker than I thought. I need to see one in person; hopefully one will be at the Denver Auto Show next month.
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I'm curious to see if this will force Subaru to step up its game whenever they get around to building a new STi.
At this point the STi is basically irrelevant as far as I'm concerned (and this is coming from someone who had one and just helped his friend purchase a new WRX).
Honda had to do something big to compete with the WRX / Focus ST and RS / Golf R.
To those who are worried about FWD, I give you Jordan Cox
Please excuse me while I go to Craigslist and start looking for EG hatches again.
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One more...look at how much his car tripods!
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The STi is in desperate need of greater performance. Well, in terms of market viability, anyway. It's current performance is still spectacular, and far beyond the needs of most people on public roads. Still, for a $40,000 USD car, it just doesn't offer enough. It was ground breaking when it first came to North America. Its neck and neck competition with the Evo kept it relevant, and it kept devout enthusiasts on board (much as the Camaro/Firebird or Camarobird/Mustang rivalries did, even when those cars were lackluster.) Now, the power is unimpressive, and the performance is matched by a number of worthy competitors (diluting the once-thrilling competition with just one true competitor.) Of the current high-end performance versions of compact cars, I think the Golf R would probably be my choice (I know, I know... I hate VW... but I think it's probably the most versatile pick... good performance matched with refined roadgoing manners... at least from what I've read, as I've never driven one.)
The Civic Type R will find a market in the 30-45 age group, I think. People with enough money to buy it, and a love for all things "Type R" stemming from their younger years. It will be purchased not only out of a desire for a high performance vehicle, but also to fulfill some nostalgic need.
Now, the determining factor is going to be whether or not the car is truly fun to drive. If it's enjoyable enough to justify the price, it'll last after the nostalgia has worn off. If it's not terribly special, it will be forgotten. It will meet the same fate as the once beloved Sentra SE-R... it will just be ignored until it quietly fades away.
That being said, I think I'd still rather have an EK9 Type R over the new one, despite a 117hp deficit (that's how much power my Fit made! ) Of course, that's just me being old and nostalgic, wishing cars still looked like they did in the 90s, rather than the bulbous plasticky monstrosities of today.
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Originally posted by deevergote View PostThe STi is in desperate need of greater performance. Well, in terms of market viability, anyway. It's current performance is still spectacular, and far beyond the needs of most people on public roads. Still, for a $40,000 USD car, it just doesn't offer enough. It was ground breaking when it first came to North America. Its neck and neck competition with the Evo kept it relevant, and it kept devout enthusiasts on board (much as the Camaro/Firebird or Camarobird/Mustang rivalries did, even when those cars were lackluster.) Now, the power is unimpressive, and the performance is matched by a number of worthy competitors (diluting the once-thrilling competition with just one true competitor.) Of the current high-end performance versions of compact cars, I think the Golf R would probably be my choice (I know, I know... I hate VW... but I think it's probably the most versatile pick... good performance matched with refined roadgoing manners... at least from what I've read, as I've never driven one.)
The WRX has gotten SO much better compared to what it was back in the early years in terms of performance. There is effectively no justification in purchasing the STi. Like I said, a good friend of mine was between the WRX and STi and ended up WRX simply because of the motor difference.
It's been 13 years and Subaru hasn't done a thing to truly improve the car.
Look where the Focus or Civic were in 2004...look where they are now.
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Originally posted by deevergote View PostThe STi is in desperate need of greater performance. Well, in terms of market viability, anyway. It's current performance is still spectacular, and far beyond the needs of most people on public roads. Still, for a $40,000 USD car, it just doesn't offer enough. It was ground breaking when it first came to North America. Its neck and neck competition with the Evo kept it relevant, and it kept devout enthusiasts on board (much as the Camaro/Firebird or Camarobird/Mustang rivalries did, even when those cars were lackluster.) Now, the power is unimpressive, and the performance is matched by a number of worthy competitors (diluting the once-thrilling competition with just one true competitor.) Of the current high-end performance versions of compact cars, I think the Golf R would probably be my choice (I know, I know... I hate VW... but I think it's probably the most versatile pick... good performance matched with refined roadgoing manners... at least from what I've read, as I've never driven one.)
The Civic Type R will find a market in the 30-45 age group, I think. People with enough money to buy it, and a love for all things "Type R" stemming from their younger years. It will be purchased not only out of a desire for a high performance vehicle, but also to fulfill some nostalgic need.
Now, the determining factor is going to be whether or not the car is truly fun to drive. If it's enjoyable enough to justify the price, it'll last after the nostalgia has worn off. If it's not terribly special, it will be forgotten. It will meet the same fate as the once beloved Sentra SE-R... it will just be ignored until it quietly fades away.
That being said, I think I'd still rather have an EK9 Type R over the new one, despite a 117hp deficit (that's how much power my Fit made! ) Of course, that's just me being old and nostalgic, wishing cars still looked like they did in the 90s, rather than the bulbous plasticky monstrosities of today.Last edited by kseriescivic; 03-10-2017, 09:15 PM.
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Originally posted by kseriescivic View PostI wish I was old enough when the itr came to buy one. That and the 2000 Si...I loved my 8th gen si and my 9th gen si but there's something about my cb7 that makes it my forever car. Old hondas in general are just cooler to me.
Bring A Trailer Integra Type R Listings
A 1998 Championship White ITR is on my lottery list. I don't care for how they look with the later year colors, but I much prefer the 98-01 updated nose to the 94-97 version.
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I don't know if you'd call it a previous generation or a pre-facelift, but the last model that the enthusiast countries got:
Brief overview in the beginning here, plus some comparison details to the EK9 throughout:
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Lol those videos are amazing. He has that suspension dialed in. I wonder what kind of wear that puts on the tires.~Nick~
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Originally posted by AccordWarrior View PostThere are plenty have have been squirreled away and are coming up for sale. You'll just pay new CTR prices for good ones.
Bring A Trailer Integra Type R Listings
A 1998 Championship White ITR is on my lottery list. I don't care for how they look with the later year colors, but I much prefer the 98-01 updated nose to the 94-97 version.
JC!!! One went for 34.5k !! That's insane. If I'm spending 20k on a honda it's going to be an Ap1 s2000. 15k for a nice ITR sounds reasonable but in a few years lots of jdm models will be eligible to import. I saw a RHD crx listed on CL for 9 or 10k. Its was sooo nice.
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Originally posted by AccordWarrior View Post........To those who are worried about FWD, I give you Jordan Cox..........
On a seperate note, I can't see 40 year old men with famlies buying these.
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