windage tray - F22a6 vs F22a1/a4

[HondaFan81]

Wow. I just found out from 90cb7sleeper that his F22a6 has a windage tray, so he said. I know personally that my F22a1 and F22a4 motor do not have it. I just looked up the windage tray for a F22a6 and it does list it!

Why does the F22a6 only come with it and is there really an advantage to it from an oil level standpoint in dynamic vehicle conditions for this particular motor?

Very interesting, another F22a6 difference that I have not heard of.

[bruno8747]

Wow. I just found out from 90cb7sleeper that his F22a6 has a windage tray, so he said. I know personally that my F22a1 and F22a4 motor do not have it. I just looked up the windage tray for a F22a6 and it does list it!

Why does the F22a6 only come with it and is there really an advantage to it from an oil level standpoint in dynamic vehicle conditions for this particular motor?

Very interesting, another F22a6 difference that I have not heard of.

The A6 also had the oil cooler on the back of the block. Some never notice it.

[Shadow1]

wheres the windage tray located at?

[bruno8747]

wheres the windage tray located at?

Inside the engine. When you take out the oil pan its a cover that covers the crank and main girdle.

[Shadow1]

ah....but what is it for tho?

[d112crzy]

Yea, 91Accord-Lx's old a1 didn't have a windage tray either.

[90Cb7sleeper]

I believe, or atleast this is what i have been told, that at a certain rpm, the oil will turn to foam in the sump, and not lubricate as well. so the windage tray keeps the foaming oil from hitting the crank and the possibility of a seized (sp?) bearing... again this is coming from a muscle car guy, so i do not know the truth behind it. Some one feel free to correct it.

[HondaFan81]

I believe, or atleast this is what i have been told, that at a certain rpm, the oil will turn to foam in the sump, and not lubricate as well. so the windage tray keeps the foaming oil from hitting the crank and the possibility of a seized (sp?) bearing... again this is coming from a muscle car guy, so i do not know the truth behind it. Some one feel free to correct it.

Now, don't get me wrong on this. I brought this issue up while building up my motor because I kept noticing a windage tray in the Helms 1991 Accord manual and in Majestic Honda's sight, but I never had one listed/recognized to order. I was looking for one and no one had one, then I found from 90cb7sleeper that only F22a6 had them and coincidently I never looked at those.

[90Cb7sleeper]

he says windage tray were usually for motors that had the crankshaft slice through the oil sump for similar reasons you listed.

Wouldn't that cause the crank to hit the tray? I dont know.
I wonder if my h22 has one. i havent taken the pan of off it.

[owequitit]

The H22 does have one.

[90Cb7sleeper]

http://forums.racingjunk.com/viewtop...39862ded8a7d66 I think i may have found it .

[10thcb7]

IDK. My co-worker and FordMan' pointed out that the F22B was stout, I didnt know what he ment. I think If Honda placed it inside the f22a6 it was for a reason.

[HondaFan81]

Nice article. I get it. Even though crank is over sump significantly, the rotating motion can aeriate the sump oil and so the tray collects the oil droplets between crank and tray, letting it drip into the sump as liquid rather than droplets floating around. Also, it acts like an umbrella, sheltering the turning motion of crank from oil sump. Nice, nice.

[HondaFan81]

F22a6, H23 and H22 windage trays are all the same, even the screws (QTY:4), plus you have 2 screws for the oil pickup.

[riceraccord]

So since the only difference between the F22A6 block and the A1/A4 block is the the camshaft why did the A1/A4 not get a windage tray? Also will the windage tray from the A6 bolt to a A1 block.