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    A Honda I REALLY like and very shocked if anyone has heard of it!

    Found this '89 JDM Legend and started inquiring today. Looks like the USDM Acura version but it's not. It's called the Honda Legend 2.0 Ti Exclusive "Wing Turbo" version...

    I pulled this from Wikipedia:

    "In October 1988, Honda upgraded the C20A V6 engine used exclusively in the KA5 series Legend with a variable geometry turbocharger, calling it the "Wing Turbo" in a Japanese TV commercial to address the modest power available from the previous engine with variable length intake manifold used in earlier models. The turbocharger compressor housing had four vanes made from heat resistant Inconel alloy surrounding the turbine wheel (on the inlet side of it) that would fluctuate based on engine load and transmission gearing above 2,000 rpm to allow for increased airflow into the engine as needed. The turbo compressor could generate as much as 450 millimetres of mercury (8.7 psi) of boost, and was paired with a water cooled intercooler installed inside the intake plenum between the cylinder banks to produce 140 kW (190 PS; 188 bhp) net at 6000 rpm and a maximum torque of 24.6 kg⋅m (241 N⋅m; 178 lb⋅ft) at 3,500 rpm.[8][9] The turbo was installed not necessarily to make the engine more powerful, but rather to increase fuel efficiency and reduce emissions, as the Japanese pay a tax on the amount of emissions the car produces.

    According to an excerpt of Automotive Engineering in January 1989, "The movable wings are positive pressure- and vacuum-operated, their angle changes are controlled by an eight-bit 36-kilobyte computer that also manages fuel injection. Positive pressure to the wing actuator is supplied by the turbo's supercharge pressure, controlled by a frequency solenoid valve, and negative pressure is generated by intake vacuum and accumulated in a reservoir which is also solenoid controlled. The CPU is fed signals including boost pressure, intake temperature, coolant temperature, throttle opening, engine rpm, and vehicle speed. The Wing Turbo is not fitted with a conventional wastegate.

    On idling and steady-state cruising that do not require supercharging, the movable flags—or wings—which are fully opened, allow exhaust gas to enter the enlarged nozzle area and pass through the turbine smoothly with little resistance. At the beginning of full acceleration, the wings close fully, reducing the nozzle area through which accelerated gas enters and strikes the turbine blades forcefully, gaining boost quickly. When maximum boost is obtained, the movable wings begin to close gradually, until the vehicle reaches a desired cruising velocity whereby the wings open fully. The nozzle area varies continuously according to operating and load conditions."

    The turbo was installed just above the automatic transmission unit; a manual transmission was not offered. This engine was only offered in Japan using the more compact sedan body style, labeled as "2.0 Ti Exclusive" and "2.0 Ti". The engine was used for just two years, due to the introduction of the second generation Legend in 1990 with the much larger C32A V6, and as such Wing Turbo sedans are extremely rare. Much of the research on this engine contributed to the VTEC C30A V6 engine used in the 1990 Honda NSX. The Legend Turbo can be identified as by a "TURBO" badge attached to the front grille on the bottom right hand side and a "V6Ti" rear badge."



    The pic quality sucks but they haven't sent me any high resolution images yet.

    Naturally I have a lot of questions:

    1. Does the car come with any documentation if so how extensive is it?
    > Window sticker, original bill of sale, service records, etc. ?

    2. How sound is it mechanically?
    > Anyway to know if the timing belt has been replaced?
    > Is the A/C in good working order and has been converted to 134a or does it still use R-12?
    > Are all the basics intact? i.e. owner's manual, spare tire, jack, etc.?

    2. I understand being a RHD drive model the headlights are aimed accordingly and skew to the left. Can they be aimed to meet US standards?

    3. Is it true the radio will not receive stations in the US due to different frequency bands?

    4. Is the "TFT Crystaltron" screen mounted to the console some sort of Navi device and is the rear antenna mounted the fender part of this?

    5. What are the "winglet" devices mounted to the sides of the rear window?

    6. What is the black plate mounted next to the transmission shift indicators on the console?

    7. What is the device mounted to the right underside of the hood?


    So has anyone here ever heard of a Honda Legend 2.0 Ti Exclusive? Since it's JDM and sort of rare it's not on everyone's radar but I really like the extra chrome trim and grill looks very sophisticated.
    Curious to see how much smaller it is since it was designed "... to comply with Japanese vehicle size requirements and reduced tax liability, the car with the 2.0 L V6 was slightly shorter and narrower for Japanese buyers by reducing the extension of the front and rear bumper covers, and reducing the overall width to 1,695 mm (66.7 in)." So it may not work for me but I haven't been this excited since I bought the TSX...









































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    #2
    I'm very aware of the Honda Legend and the fact that Honda used turbos a few times on street cars before recently, but never heard of this specific trim. I'm definitely interested in hearing the answers to your questions. Very cool find.

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      #3
      Honda Tuning magazine once did a full article on the turbo Legend. Though sadly even that magazine has fallen in obscurity.
      I don’t know that I’ve ever seen one for sale. That condition looks impressive.






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        #4
        I am strangely familiar with this turbo variant of the Legend. I have never come across one for sale though. They seem like they are quite rare.
        http://www.hondanews.com/releases/19...d-introduction

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          #5
          I've heard of it. I used to design stuff for Honda vehicles, so it was always easy being in the know becasue I was constantly around Japanese design engineers.

          I'm biased though. Have you heard of the RC213V or the NSR500?
          The Lord watches over me!

          "...they did the bowties, I did the ascots, as much as I have, I'm still reppin' the have nots..."

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            #6
            Thanks for everyone's feedback it's always appreciated...

            Eventually I heard back from the seller:

            "We have no previous history for this vehicle or any of the JDM vehicles. The radios do not get the same channels we get here in the U.S.A. The vehicles do not have DOT lights and unable to make correction. They can be changed out.
            We ask that you check with your State or Local DMV prior to a purchase to insure that you are able to get
            registered in your area.
            We do not service the JDM vehicles. We do check the fluids and make sure that they shift and run.
            I am not sure of all the gagets. They offer different options than they offered on the U.S. versions.
            You should be able to zoom in our website by DOUBLE CLICKING on the Picture.
            We do offer Pre-Purchase Inspections and you are welcome to come in person to view also."

            Guess I was hoping for more. Here the thing I've never bought a used car for myself only new. But I've helped others buy and in most of those situations they were looking for transportation not something to covet. Expected more documentation, more background info, more details to assuage my doubts.

            Realizing this to be a very rare model I assumed the majority of the underpinnings to be similar to the Legend. But after thinking it through the biggest potential issues is with the turbo and related hardware. If anything with these do go south it's not like I could run down to the nearest pick & pull...

            Then there's the matter of RHD. I know eventually I might be comfortable with it but this won't be any daily driver so how long before "muscle memory" causes the wrong reflex reaction and the worst happens. Lastly I wouldn't have immediate room unless I gave up one of the "fleet," not happening. So after careful deliberation and in the interest of martial harmony, sadly I'll pass.

            It's kind of a shame since one of my first experiences with Honda was buying my first in 1989. It was then I visited the Acura dealer and fell in love with a new Legend LS in taupe. Long story short I end up settling for the somewhat similar new '89 Accord SE-i in the same color. While I did truly enjoy it for the 14 years I owned it I always regretted not buying the Legend. Guess I thought this would be the next best thing to recapturing that. Oh well onward and upward...
            Last edited by hiptech; 07-18-2021, 09:47 AM.
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              #7
              Honestly, based on their response alone I'd be hesitant to buy from them. They just don't seem as interested in the cars as companies like Japanese Classics, who say they make sure the maintenance on all of their cars is fully up to date and offer parts sourcing for their customers.

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                #8
                Originally posted by CyborgGT View Post
                Honestly, based on their response alone I'd be hesitant to buy from them. They just don't seem as interested in the cars as companies like Japanese Classics, who say they make sure the maintenance on all of their cars is fully up to date and offer parts sourcing for their customers.
                I felt that way too... someone will end up with this car but just not me.
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