140 Hp f22a1

[Accordlx]

will adding a f22A4 exhuast header + A6 Intake manifold+aem shortram
give 140bhp on f22a1????

thnx

[zipcreature]

No. The F22a6 cam is also different; for the money get a delta 272 regrind. Also the f22a6 I/M needs the 92-93 EX ECU (pt6?) to run the second runners.
Also the question is vauge; 140 where? To the wheels, or at the flywheel? Why do you want 140hp - what are your goals for the car?
Hope you got something useful from my post. It is not directed at you, dont read it.

- Zipcreature

[92ex]

No. The F22a6 cam is also different; for the money get a delta 272 regrind. Also the f22a6 I/M needs the 92-93 EX ECU (pt6?) to run the second runners.
Also the question is vauge; 140 where? To the wheels, or at the flywheel? Why do you want 140hp - what are your goals for the car?
Hope you got something useful from my post. It is not directed at you, dont read it.

- Zipcreature

No is question is perfectly clear. 140BHP. You'd have to change to the pt6 ecu, a6 camshaft, a6 intake manifold, and isn't the a1 exhaust manifold better then the a6. Well there are you differences, but to break the 140bhp, 272 regrind, chipped ecu, h23 intake manifold, and generic header and your looking at 160+hp

[AccordWarrior]

I'd disagree. I'd say you're there. I mean just the A4 header's good for 5 hp. Add another 5 or so from the AEM short ram (not really a stretch if you're talking peak hp...most cars I've seen average 4-5 peak hp on the dyno), and then the A6 mani.

Sure the A6 cam beats the A1 cam, but it's been said the A4 header beats the A6 header. I'm thinking you'd be at least very close to 140 hp at the crank.

*EDIT* The F22a1 in the 92-96 Prelude S was rated at 135 hp. It also had the P12 ecu. I'd say run a P12, hook the butterflies to vacuum and go from there.

[Accordlx]

I'd disagree. I'd say you're there. I mean just the A4 header's good for 5 hp. Add another 5 or so from the AEM short ram (not really a stretch if you're talking peak hp...most cars I've seen average 4-5 peak hp on the dyno), and then the A6 mani.

Sure the A6 cam beats the A1 cam, but it's been said the A4 header beats the A6 header. I'm thinking you'd be at least very close to 140 hp at the crank.

*EDIT* The F22a1 in the 92-96 Prelude S was rated at 135 hp. It also had the P12 ecu. I'd say run a P12, hook the butterflies to vacuum and go from there.

damnn niceee.....but " hook the butterflies to vacuum and go from there"" im clueless what that mean..

[typhoon]

damnn niceee.....but " hook the butterflies to vacuum and go from there"" im clueless what that mean..

I think he's saying you can open the secondarys w/o the ECU. (they just open @ WOT.

I have an f22a1 and I'm making about 138 @ the crank or 117.6 whp on a Mustang dyno. Basically all bolt-ons. Check the links in my sig for all mods

[mondojackal]

No is question is perfectly clear. 140BHP. You'd have to change to the pt6 ecu, a6 camshaft, a6 intake manifold, and isn't the a1 exhaust manifold better then the a6. Well there are you differences, but to break the 140bhp, 272 regrind, chipped ecu, h23 intake manifold, and generic header and your looking at 160+hp

160hp with an a1 that easily?

[The G-Man]

160hp with an a1 that easily?

Yeah, I was doubting that. The H23 Intake manny is very similar to the F22A4. He must mean H23 head, that would put you to about 160.

[gloryaccordy]

160hp with an a1 that easily?

Hell, more than that. The 272 is a hell of an upgrade on even an A6 cam; it's seriously good for like 20-25hp from what I've heard. And the H23 mani-top is like 2-3 times the size of the A6 mani-top; that really helps on the top end as the engine has a larger "pool" of air to draw from, meaning less pumping loss and more power.

The only real place the exhaust needs improvement with an A6 header is from the collector back.

[92ex]

160hp with an a1 that easily?

yes

[mondojackal]

yes

dang...this makes me think about keeping the a1 for a little while longer..man, i didnt think that a1 was capable of that kind of power that easily...any idea how much all that would run?

[Accordlx]

damn 160bhp on A1 wid those bolt on..cool btw whats "chipped ECU"?

[92ex]

dang...this makes me think about keeping the a1 for a little while longer..man, i didnt think that a1 was capable of that kind of power that easily...any idea how much all that would run?

a1 is the same as the a4 or a6 after you put boltons(except for the a6 IM)

Price wise, those boltons would be around $400-$500.

[quakerjoe]

I think he's saying you can open the secondarys w/o the ECU. (they just open @ WOT.

I have an f22a1 and I'm making about 138 @ the crank or 117.6 whp on a Mustang dyno. Basically all bolt-ons. Check the links in my sig for all mods

i do believe the secondarys open at 4200 rpm... otherwise you might come up short on torque if they just opened at wide open throttle each time you punched it... (at least in the low end)

but thats just what i had heard... anyone know for sure?

[gloryaccordy]

i do believe the secondarys open at 4200 rpm... otherwise you might come up short on torque if they just opened at wide open throttle each time you punched it... (at least in the low end)

but thats just what i had heard... anyone know for sure?

I dunno...I have the A6, and I can't really tell when they open distinctly, but I know they close when you get off the throttle at any RPM. Honestly I'd say they open around 2.5-3K, or maybe 3.5K. If you floor it under 3K it sounds muted, but above that it *almost* sounds like VTEC. The changeover, unfortunately, is not as razor sharp.

But yea mondo...snag a loose F22, throw some high comp slugs in it, get a Delta 272 and throw the regular I/H/E on and I seriously think you're driving a 14 second car. Seriously. (well maybe not with the system in place...but close)