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!!HELP!!TURBO and Reliability??

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  • NAiL05
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    Originally posted by 92ex
    200whp 8psi 14b jdm f22b driven every day. Running for about 1 year 8 months boosted. no MAJOR problems. I have a conservative tune, and this weekend I drove about 600miles+, mostly highway. I have a lead foot, so i usually see boost on the highway.

    If it's cheap it's not reliable.-false. I have a dsm turbo kit. One of the cheapest ways to go.

    I have put a beating on my motor as well, twice now I've ran it with barely any oil, when I was away at college the oil wasn't changed for about 7 months. F series can hold up to a good amount of abuse
    I was waiting for someone with a boosted car to chime in lol. But a proper tune and a big ol koyo aluminum as I have seen seem to do the job very well.

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  • deevergote
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    Awesome. It's good to hear that!

    Still, I wouldn't classify such success as something to expect. It would be silly to hear that your motor hasn't had any problems and assume that mine will see similar results.

    Turbo introduces a new system to the car... Not only another bunch of parts that can break on you, but parts that can potentially toast your motor in the process.

    92ex has a stock-block DSM setup that's been running for the better part of 2 years. h22sparkle had a fully built turbo H22 and it lasted about 6 months. Quality, planning, and knowledge play a VERY large part... as does luck, in some cases!

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  • 92ex
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    200whp 8psi 14b jdm f22b driven every day. Running for about 1 year 8 months boosted. no MAJOR problems. I have a conservative tune, and this weekend I drove about 600miles+, mostly highway. I have a lead foot, so i usually see boost on the highway.

    If it's cheap it's not reliable.-false. I have a dsm turbo kit. One of the cheapest ways to go.

    I have put a beating on my motor as well, twice now I've ran it with barely any oil, when I was away at college the oil wasn't changed for about 7 months. F series can hold up to a good amount of abuse

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  • F22NVtec
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    Originally posted by HondaB18
    What is your question? Browse around.

    Building NA is different from building it for forced induction. Two different things. You can't build a car for NA and all the sudden slap on a turbo to it if thats what your asking.
    Right now I drive my car to much to put a turbo on it. i wanted to get an idea of how much power i can get out the motor so I just wanted some examples

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  • deevergote
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    Originally posted by F22HB
    Turbos are great but it seems like almost whatever you do, you endup lossing reliablility for power.
    If its cheap its not reliable.
    If its reliable its not fast.
    If its fast its not cheap...
    You're forgetting one important factor. Knowledge.

    If you know what you are doing, you can minimize costs considerably. If you know what you are doing, you can make parts last a long time. If you know what you are doing, you can be plenty fast with the right parts.

    A small turbo will create unnecessary heat. A larger turbo will make things safer. A small turbo will spool quickly, meaning that running off-boost when you want to conserve fuel isn't very easy. A small turbo is cheap. If you don't know any better (*knowledge*) you will buy the cheap small turbo, damage your engine, not go fast, and waste lots of fuel.

    The best thing to do before building a turbo kit is learn exactly what every part does. Learn why they do what they do. Learn the negative effects and positive effects, and what decisions can be made to reduce the negative.

    Compared to a high-revving NA engine, a properly designed turbo motor can be more reliable. Compared to a well cared-for stock engine, a turbo motor will probably have a shorter lifespan. However, I've known stock cheapie turbo cars (like my old beat to hell 87 Dodge Shadow) to go well over 130,000 miles with no major issues.


    Key points to remember:
    Engine condition (with stock internals, this is very important)
    Tuning!
    Proper fueling (injectors, pump, pressure, a/f ratio... that goes back to tuning)
    Turbo size
    Cooling system
    Intercooling system
    Exhaust size (you want to get that hot air out of there as quickly as you can!)
    Safeguard systems (Wastegate to protect your engine, and BOV to protect your turbo)

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  • F22HB
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    Turbos are great but it seems like almost whatever you do, you endup lossing reliablility for power.
    If its cheap its not reliable.
    If its reliable its not fast.
    If its fast its not cheap...

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  • deevergote
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    Originally posted by F22NVtec
    As far as all motor power before turbo, whats the most any of you have gotten?
    400 at the crank is the most I know of with an NA F22.

    You must read about and understand how turbo engines differ from NA, and start from there. www.howstuffworks.com is a great place to start. When it comes to Honda engines, turbo systems aren't really plug and play... there are other things you need to do to keep things safe.



    As for the original question...
    Do it right. Don't use cheap parts. Get a proper sized intercooler. Get a wastegate that won't fail on you (if you plan on using an old, internally wastegated turbo, you may want to reconsider... or at least rebuild). A dyno tuned ECU would be wise. It may seem expensive, but a toasted motor and a tow will be MUCH more expensive!

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  • HondaB18
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    Originally posted by F22NVtec
    As far as all motor power before turbo, whats the most any of you have gotten?
    What is your question? Browse around.

    Building NA is different from building it for forced induction. Two different things. You can't build a car for NA and all the sudden slap on a turbo to it if thats what your asking.

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  • F22NVtec
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    Boost or all motor?

    As far as all motor power before turbo, whats the most any of you have gotten?

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  • 91ACCORDBOOST
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    Yeah, it does mention earlier in the thread bout that, somewhat.. But really besides all the basics, I would go for upgraded crank and pistons, cam, (all internal parts). The more compression, the more power. Just keep looking shit up and asking questions and all your answers will come to you eventually. This is a great site for all the info you need so stick around..

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  • Rusty
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    Originally posted by F22NVtec
    Hey, i have a 92 ex, the motor in is from a 91 F22A4, I wanna go boosted but how well will the motor hold up? it has about 80k on it. I wanna get More power out of i besides the turbo. What else is there besides the Basics like intake, exhaust, ecu an all that?

    If you have to ask that question then your not ready to boost.

    like it was said earlier, the better the condition of the motor the more reliable it should be.

    There are a dozen differnt motorbuilding things that you could do to the engine that will get more power out of it.

    search some of the all motor rides to get an idea

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  • F22NVtec
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    Help

    Hey, i have a 92 ex, the motor in is from a 91 F22A4, I wanna go boosted but how well will the motor hold up? it has about 80k on it. I wanna get More power out of i besides the turbo. What else is there besides the Basics like intake, exhaust, ecu an all that?

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  • 91ACCORDBOOST
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    Good Feedback

    Thanks for the feedback, keep sending me more,... And Rusty, your right! When it comes to tunning, I KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! I am %110 mechanically minded. When It comes to the Electronical aspect of the whole deal, I am very uneducated. But that is what this site is for,... And like most enthusiast, I have a goal. The compression advice was probably some of the best I have recieved Your right, if the engine is bad, I will go for the H22 instead of the F22. I still need to learn how to program my ECU with a laptop and understand it. But I feel im intelligent enough to figure all this out with the help of you guys and all the threads here so keep hitting me up !

    Check it out, this was my project just before I took over my Honda Swap/Turbo Upgrade See,... It's all muscle, no wiring besides Harness involved 500+ HP Rice Burner/ 150 shot of the Giggle Gas for the long run

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  • HondaB18
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    Read up on some of the threads in the FI section and gain some more information.

    Throttle position plays a major role. If its mostly highway and you drive with a light foot that won't see boost it drives just like any normal car. If your flooring the car every chance you get then more maintenance will be needed. If its installed properly, maintenance kept up to specs, good parts are installed, and tuned correctly it is just as reliable as any car (although usually any modifications that puts more stress into an engine will make the car less reliable then stock).

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  • 90EX
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    Originally posted by Rusty
    I've seen some of your past posts and i feel like your taking on a project that you know absolutly nothing about.
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    I am in a good mood though. I would choose a snail that wouldn’t hit full boost during those highway runs. Everyone mentions tuning, but what about the condition of the motor to begin with? I would do a compression/leak down test to see if it is healthy enough to boost. Assuming it is good, I would replace the timing belt, water pump, head gasket, clutch.......... and keep searching
    Last edited by 90EX; 11-27-2006, 12:37 AM.

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