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How to make 30+hp for $500 or less... (DX/LX F22A1 only)

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    #91
    I haven't done it yet myself. I'll probably get a Maxbore alteration of a stock one, since I have 2 H22 throttle bodies.

    It's hard to say exactly how much HP you'll get, since it's dependant on many other things. With the increased airflow of the intake manifold, you'll benefit best from upgrading the header and exhaust (getting into the rest of the more expensive range there )

    Put it this way... H23 intake manifold, F20C throttle body, Bisimoto Stage 2 camshaft, Bisimoto header, SMSP high-flow cat, 2.5" catback exhaust (2.33" that you get with the metric Japanese sizes would probably be OK... Apexi World Sport should suffice). With those mods, and a tuned P06, you'll PROBABLY surpass HondaFan81's "red" project... which is making close to H22 power.






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      #92
      Best exhaust = straight pipe into a stock 2.5" muffler... just FYI...

      But yea, the F22A has a lot of untapped potential locked in its head. Think of what you could do if you built the block.


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        #93
        Originally posted by deevergote
        I haven't done it yet myself. I'll probably get a Maxbore alteration of a stock one, since I have 2 H22 throttle bodies.

        It's hard to say exactly how much HP you'll get, since it's dependant on many other things. With the increased airflow of the intake manifold, you'll benefit best from upgrading the header and exhaust (getting into the rest of the more expensive range there )

        Put it this way... H23 intake manifold, F20C throttle body, Bisimoto Stage 2 camshaft, Bisimoto header, SMSP high-flow cat, 2.5" catback exhaust (2.33" that you get with the metric Japanese sizes would probably be OK... Apexi World Sport should suffice). With those mods, and a tuned P06, you'll PROBABLY surpass HondaFan81's "red" project... which is making close to H22 power.
        Don't bother with S2000 TB, get a H23 and have www.maxbore.com bore it out 67-64mm. Also, no need for the SMSP high-flow cat, get a Catco or Carsound. This brings down the cost.

        S2000 TB is not a good idea, harder to find and will be more expensive and probably cause fitment issues. The H23 TB has been done, there is already DIY out there for H23 intake manifold swaps, done deal.

        The key to Deevergote's statement of surpassing my red project is the Bisimoto F22 stage 2 camshaft & header combo, I wish I had that on my red now but at the time I didn't know. His gear is catered to our F22s. Don't bother with Delta, you will get more bang for the buck I'm telling you.
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          #94
          On yeah, for sure. Cisco is going to explore that with the "white" project soon enough! The reason you don't see him on here all that often is because he is ALWAYS working on that thing.

          Building the bottom end properly gets fairly expensive. But yeah, couple a well-modified head with a strong, high compression bottom end... and you'll make some crazy power.

          Even though I have an H22, I firmly believe that a beefed-up NA F22A could perform just as well. Cisco is shooting for 250whp in the "white" project, last I heard. He used a Mustang Dyno for the "red" project, which gives lower readings than most (his whp would be higher on a Dynojet) That means, if he uses the same dyno, and hits 250whp, he could be a bit higher based on the more common Dynojet claims. 2point6 ran 12.7 with about 250whp in his H22 CB7. If all goes according to plan, Cisco should have at least a 12.something second F22A on his hands. (I spoke to Bisi a while back, and he said that the race engine in his Insight would pull a 2600lb CB7 down the quarter in about 11.3)






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            #95
            that list was helpful thanks
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              #96
              Originally posted by gloryaccordy
              Best exhaust = straight pipe into a stock 2.5" muffler... just FYI...

              But yea, the F22A has a lot of untapped potential locked in its head. Think of what you could do if you built the block.
              Yeah, but wont that make your car loud as hell and very annoying???
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                #97
                Originally posted by Kevin Chinnn
                Yeah, but wont that make your car loud as hell and very annoying???

                i think so. the cat and resintor quiet the noise of the exhaust down. thats why its best to keep them up there. if you want more power then be sure to get high-flow cat and resinator. to help with getting a highflow resinator, get an aftermarket cat-back exhaust. they come with resinators so you dont have to worry about getting one for yourself.

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                  #98
                  A good, large muffler will keep it pretty quiet, and a free-flowing resonator will also do the same. I don't suggest EVER running without a cat unless it's at the track. The SMSP high-flow cat is a very good piece, and the price is reasonable.






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                    #99
                    Originally posted by owequitit
                    Hate to break it to you, but the F22B1 really has no VTEC changeover. Nothing like the DOHC engines that everyone associates with VTEC.
                    Dude, I was joking.

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                      We're trying to do our best to eliminate the myth that the F22B1 is better because it has VTEC... which, in fact, is what makes it worse than the F22A






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                        Also keep in mind that if it is in the budget to do some headwork, the exhaust ports on the F22A are the best place to start. They are restrictive relative to the stock intake ports, so there would be more benefit to just doing the exhaust side if you are on a severe budget.

                        And yes Deev, you are correct. The F22A has just as much, if not more total HP potential than the H22. The valve angle is better, the valvetrain is lighter, and you can get much larger valve/big cam combos in there.

                        The advantage of the H22 isn't in the total power potential. It is in the total power potential with less streetability compromise. Even with a stock H22, which sounds and runs like a stock F22 below VTEC, people are often quite surprised when it hits crossover, just because they aren't used to engines idling smoothly and quietly, and screaming to 7.8K pulling harder and harder to 6800.


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                          Originally posted by deevergote
                          We're trying to do our best to eliminate the myth that the F22B1 is better because it has VTEC... which, in fact, is what makes it worse than the F22A
                          Yeah, what was that other board that one of our members here posted his car setup and pics to and they were all making fun of him because it was "just an Accord"? One of the posts there was "if you at least had an F22B1, that would be something," and our guy had an F22A6. I wanted to post "Ummm, that's only a 5hp difference" but it was a month old by the time I read the thread on here about it.

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                            I just don't want to make owequitit mad at me or anything, because he's one of the members here that I respect the most. He's always rediculously informed and his posts are usually pretty long, yet still concise and to the point with no rambling whatsoever.... and he's got a cool sig.

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                              No problem. There are just SO many people that ask "can I put an F22 VTEC head on my block?", and brag about their "VTEC swaps" when they're F22B1s. It's not that the motor is absolutely worthless... I mean, it has SOME potential (they're good for turbo, I'm told... I have yet to learn any details, as I believe just about ANY Honda motor can be boosted to the limits of sane streetabilty with enough money) People see VTEC and think it's better. VTEC is a fantastic technology, but SOHC VTEC especially isn't superior to the performance potential of the F22A.


                              And Scott, you're totally right about the H22 being more of a street motor. My plans for my H22 revolve specifically around that, actually. I want to retain good drivability in the low RPM range, and have screaming performance up top. It won't be optimal for race, but it's not a race car. It'll be one hell of a street car, though... and that's the intent!






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                                Originally posted by sandman61377
                                I just don't want to make owequitit mad at me or anything, because he's one of the members here that I respect the most. He's always rediculously informed and his posts are usually pretty long, yet still concise and to the point with no rambling whatsoever.... and he's got a cool sig.
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