h22 vs f22 fully built which is more reliable?

[boostn91lx]

Yeah... I agree with what you said, I guess that's why I said it

[92ex]

you basically restated what i said

[boostn91lx]

That's exactly what happens to me, the whole thing about SOHC and DOHC. A LOT of people act surprised when they see that I only have an SOHC turbo'd motor. It's kind've funny watching their reactions, sometimes, even the people you've been going racing with for a while. However, I do have an H23 head that I'm getting ready to swap onto my motor to convert it to DOHC, so I guess no more funny reactions when that comes around. As for the CR/PSI Conversation, I think you will get more power out of a high compression low boost motor, but a low compression motor with even high boost on it will be more reliable, and the low compression will leave you a lot bigger margin for error when tuning it. Cause any real tuner out there knows that the first map you come up with isn't always perfect, even the third, fourth, or fifth. Also, with a low compression motor you can boost a lot more than you can with a high compression motor, obviously. In other words, you can eventually put enough boost on a low CR motor to make the same amount of power, or more, than a high CR motor will, cause EVERY motor has its limits. Pretty much what im trying to say... High CR motor can only go so far, whereas a low CR motor, F22, can go even further, of course with the right tuning, octane, etc.

[chicago]

Ok i Am goin to do sohc than dohc u whould have more respect on beating cars and its cheper. because oh u have SOHC turbo thats it shure ill race u but when u say i have a Dohc they attend to stay away. if u race other people for money Sohc is The motor to Stick with BECAUSE U WILL GET MORE RACES. My cuz is pushing 6 psi 9.1:1 CR and running 8.80 1/8 and 13.6 in the 1/4 now hes pushing 10 psi with his CRX ok i know its light but still his pushing 10 with 9.1:1 CR so with are 8.8:1 CR we can push 10 or maybe 12 or 13psi because we have lower CR then him. so now u have your H22 With Higher CR so u can push about 7 give or take but u can't go to high or boom.

[turboh22accord]

i still say h22 but ehhh

[92ex]

And yeah you are right you can fumble around and fuck up a little more with a lower compression engine but that shouldnt be what your basing your argument over (the impact of ignition timing and the fact your not a great tuner and your trying to alow an error margin for that).

realize, i can tune, many newcomers cant. Hence the lower compression engines are a better start for them. I'm basing this on what the originator wanted to know, and since hes knew, the 8.8:1 compressoin would be a better start for him

[92ex]

finally, thats all i was saying.

[turboh22accord]

Yes UD does control timing. Well at any rate a low compression motor will survive larger pressure levels if the engines in question are not properly tuned. To make the same power out of a f22 @8.8:1 as a stock h22 will take more boost due to lower compression for starters not to mention the less efficient head design and others. And yeah you are right you can fumble around and fuck up a little more with a lower compression engine but that shouldnt be what your basing your argument over (the impact of ignition timing and the fact your not a great tuner and your trying to alow an error margin for that). By the way knock isnt something you can adjust, it is an occurance inside the engine from too much ingition advance (pre-ignition). seriously if you put 15 psi into each said engines that are properly tuned, neither will be less reliable than the other. Thats why people pay to get cars tuned from real tuners. Uberdata is a decent bandaid compared to other managment systems.

[wlfpck]

h22sparkle needs to comeback and settle this arguement.

but yeah.... f22 with 20 lbs boost is probably gonna be more reliable than the h22. Keeping in mind that now additional work is done to either engines.

[92ex]

for some reason i disagree. UD does control timing, I think I'd know. Well, higher compression motors make more low end power, but it doesn't necessarily mean it will make more power overall. And usually you take away fuel to make power....

[turboh22accord]

[QUOTE=92ex]when you have lower compression, you can advance timing, knock, and not hurt anything. When you have the 10.6:1 compression, the slightest adjustment in timing has 10x more impact on the engine then 8.8:1 would. Putting down however much power has nothing to do with what I know. I do know about tuning, over a year was dedicated to understanding it and uberdata. Hence, how I tuned my car.[/QUOT]

uberdata is just a low budget deal u get what u didint pay for haha
the software has no timing control whatso ever u cant compare that to hondata or neptune and what u use to tune makes the car or break it!

knock and advancing timing equals detnation equals bad news

the higher compression motor will always make more power then a lower compression! u cant fight that one its all about how u tune and when u tune with high comp motor u use fuel to make the power and to me i think thats the safest way to make power

[92ex]

when you have lower compression, you can advance timing, knock, and not hurt anything. When you have the 10.6:1 compression, the slightest adjustment in timing has 10x more impact on the engine then 8.8:1 would. Putting down however much power has nothing to do with what I know. I do know about tuning, over a year was dedicated to understanding it and uberdata. Hence, how I tuned my car.

[turboh22accord]

no

ok i guess u would know since u have put more power then me
and since u have the common forum attitude
i dont understand ur attitude 92ex if u really know about tuning u whould understand

[92ex]

low compression means adding a shit load of timing to make power that means more room for error when u tune
more compression less timing less error

no

[laz93se]

hey guys i will post up the setup that is being offered to me soon,just still debating about what to do hhmmmm!!!! we'll see.for now i'am still running with a f20a sohc motor but i need more POWER!!!!!!!! haha.