H22 or turbo F22?

[92ex]

I feel that there is no point to turbo a honda with an h22 or f22, because it is a HONDA ACCORD even if it is all done right and you have spent countless hours on tuning at the end of the day its still a front wheel drive! Im not saying turbo cars suck or anything im just saying it would be a lot smarter to turbo a car that can handle it better like a 240sx. just my .02

and when you turbo that 240sx, i will have the gratification of spitting my black exhaust all over it because it will never keep up. Yes, when you do serious work to your car its gonna involve some time investment, but thats part of the fun, to me at least.

[85gts]

of course an H22 built will be able to make more hp than a built F22. But i don't think you will just rip a f22 to shreds because you up the boost. does anyone know the absolute limits of a F22 block? no...why? because nobody has done it. i for one don't care for more than 300+hp 400+ at the most. i don't want a 5,6, or 700hp monster. if i wanted that sure...H22. I believe that a F22 with rods and pistons with a H23 head with the proper cams and timing...basically tuned correctly...can put out over 300hp and maybe 400hp. the good thing about boost is that you can control it for daily driving and race day. you don't have to be putting down 300+ EVERY SINGLE DAY!! you can run low boost...5-8psi normally and 15-20psi when racing. now a built F22 running low boost could probably run for a VERY long time. there are non built f22's running turbo that aren't broken down or suffering problems that are turbo related. how much does a swap cost to run a h22? 2500-3000? and that's if you can do it yourself. that doesn't include the cost of IHE or cams, or UD's, cam gears. Now i can get a built f22 for about 1200-1400 dollars. h23 head swap probably cost another 500. customed turbo kit hondata'd for 3000. so for only 1k more than a basic all motor h22. i could have a reliable, built, turbo f22. now if you can do the h22 for cheaper and have it built for turbo plus the turbo kit...then i say go for it. One...i don't want vtec. and two it's my best option at this time. and i'll be smokin h22's without a prob.

[mondojackal]

of course an H22 built will be able to make more hp than a built F22. But i don't think you will just rip a f22 to shreds because you up the boost. does anyone know the absolute limits of a F22 block? no...why? because nobody has done it. i for one don't care for more than 300+hp 400+ at the most. i don't want a 5,6, or 700hp monster. if i wanted that sure...H22. I believe that a F22 with rods and pistons with a H23 head with the proper cams and timing...basically tuned correctly...can put out over 300hp and maybe 400hp. the good thing about boost is that you can control it for daily driving and race day. you don't have to be putting down 300+ EVERY SINGLE DAY!! you can run low boost...5-8psi normally and 15-20psi when racing. now a built F22 running low boost could probably run for a VERY long time. there are non built f22's running turbo that aren't broken down or suffering problems that are turbo related. how much does a swap cost to run a h22? 2500-3000? and that's if you can do it yourself. that doesn't include the cost of IHE or cams, or UD's, cam gears. Now i can get a built f22 for about 1200-1400 dollars. h23 head swap probably cost another 500. customed turbo kit hondata'd for 3000. so for only 1k more than a basic all motor h22. i could have a reliable, built, turbo f22. now if you can do the h22 for cheaper and have it built for turbo plus the turbo kit...then i say go for it. One...i don't want vtec. and two it's my best option at this time. and i'll be smokin h22's without a prob.

its $1950 for an H22 killer....

[85gts]

installed? with tranny? also...that doesn't include aftermarket parts. H22's run Very high 14's with a stock motor and tranny. if i do get to build my F22/H23(head) with the turbo...i'll atleast be in the 13's and with an Auto. it costs more than 1950 total for a swap. unless you do it your dam self. lol

[deevergote]

An H22 swap can be had for $2400 shipped. That's from hmotorsonline.com (not the cheapest, but reliable) and includes transmission, ECU, and many other parts. An H22 longblock can be found for $1200 or so elsewhere.

If you sleeve an F22 block, put in forged internals, and swap on a DOHC head that's had some work done... well... it's no longer an F22, is it? It's practically an H22, minus the VTEC (turbo makes VTEC not so much of an advantage). If you use the F22 head, you are limiting yourself, and that's where my argument comes in. The bottom end of either motor is only as good as you build it, if you replace everything in it! And to say that people aren't pushing the F22 to the limit is bull. I've seen a local guy run low 12s with a built turbo F22. MRX is making 300 to the crank at least with stock internals. It's not a bad choice... I just figure if you're going to build a motor, build the "better" motor. Just my preference, really. If I can have more potential, I'd be happier. I'm a fan of the DOHC design.

As for reliability... well... many of the boosted F22s on the board here are run by people who REALLY know what they're doing. In my time here, I've seen at least as many turbo motors blow up as I have seen run problem free. Turbo WILL wear out a motor faster. Not 6 months, or even 2 years perhaps... but thigs will break sooner than if the motor wasn't turbo. Now, is that a reason not to turbo? No, of course not. "If you drink the Pepsi from the wide mouth can, it'll be gone faster"... big deal. Everything is give and take.

[Neriah06]

hmm i love cake

[85gts]

but if we are looking at cost wise. it makes more sense to the ones that don't wanna spend a whole lot to go with the F22 turbo. What i mean to say about pushin the f22 to the max is that nobody has found what a f22 can absolutely take before breakin...with perfect tuning and whatever...i commend those that are running around pushin the limits, but fact it...even they haven't found the absolute limit. hence the reason why there motors are still running. while true with the H23 head it wouldn't only be a F22 but I think with a F22 head you can still make 250+ really close to 300. again...not doing the DOHC head swap you would save even more than my original plan. 2400 for the swap isn't including labor. usually about 5-800 depending on who you know and your area in general. i could have an uncle put in the motor, but he's old school and wouldn't be able to do the wiring...i know it's not super hard but just work with me...so i would have to then take it to someone else to do that. again that 2400 price is gonna start growing once you add more aftermarket stuff like exhaust, intake...that alone will cost you over 300. so now we are looking at 3200-3500...extra for UD pulley's, cams...etc. now if i didn't do the head swap and built my bottom end. i can get my bottom end built for 12-1400 and a hondata tuned turbo kit installed for 3000. the built bottom end price includes the install. my only extra cost and this is just for me because i want to keep my auto is having it rebuilt with a level ten kit. but that is getting done regardless.

now i'm not saying that i don't like the h22. hell...i would love it. but i have to argue my point which is all i'm doing...not trying to cause crap on the board...just arguin my point. of course ultimately the h22 is better...it's a better motor period. but for those that don't want to go all motor and don't want to spend ALOT of money and have a decently reliable motor. built turbo f22 fits the bill perfectly.

[TysCb7]

Here's the point I was trying to make, by the time you turbo your honda and did it the right way, your going to spend some crazzy amount of money. I just think its pointless because you could of put the money into a car the more suited for a turbo. Honda engines arnt ment for turbos to be slapt on, unless your going to do alot of bottom end work and head work, which makes my point about going for a car that is more suited for a turbo. I say why not go for a supra, they make monsterous power and will still have the reliability factor, IMO.

[westsideaccord]

TysCB7, do you like your accord? I think that I can say the whole reason were on this board is because we all love em! SO why not do whith it what you want, make the stereo pump tunes, make the appearance look as good as you feel satisfied, and most importantly make your car fast! Serious, a supra would cost a shitload more to begin with and would have to be built up the same way as an accord to be unique, parts for the supra are def not less expensive than our accord parts! What is the bonus? You like supras buy one, but we love our accords enough to turn them into the machines that we do by trying turbo systems and by dropping a rebuilt h22 in the bay and because stock sucks! Peace out T!

[westsideaccord]

Also do you think front wheel drive is the reason our cars are "slow"? Front wheel drive loses alot less hp to the wheels than rear wheel drive!

[Accord R33]

Also do you think front wheel drive is the reason our cars are "slow"? Front wheel drive loses alot less hp to the wheels than rear wheel drive!

sorta..but it is easier to push something than to pull it. RWD cars are faster lb for lb

[h22sparkle]

its the truth

[TheTempest]

Yes it's easier to push than to pull...however...due to less loss of energy in the drive train, FF do lose less power to the wheels than FR.

[westsideaccord]

and in ff our majority of weight is on top of the drive wheels rather than in front of it! AWD would be said best in this case though

[N9netwoAccord]

yes, but what about when you take off... alot of the weight shifts to the back wheels (yes stiffer suspension i know blah blah) on a RWD car, that would help with traction

when we take off we're still losing some of the weight, but we still do have the motor and tranny sitting right on top of those front wheels