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I am really debating getting a bigger rear sway... with Goodyear Eagle RS-As and 440/300# springs on Illuminas the car does NOT break traction under nearly any circumstances (I have yet to), but it leans so heavily. I almost feel like I don't have sway bars. I'm at the absolute limit of the balance of handling and traction spring/shock wise (Yellows would def improve low speed damping but it's not worth the $$$ to me), but a rear sway would keep the lean in check. Hopefully keep a little weight off the outside tires and prevent scrubbing.
Originally posted by lordojaim with you on that one bro! aint nothing beat free food and drinks any day of the week, even if its at a funeral
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That build uses Illumina shocks, which are pretty crappy honestly. Even the AGX is a better shock, and most definitely a Koni, and some full coilovers. They were able to achieve high skidpad g's with that setup, so using today's better parts and technology, a 1g cb7 isn't unreasonable at all. I bet Ronald_Type-R's does more than that.There are no black and white suspension answers!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by mndude07 View PostThat build uses Illumina shocks, which are pretty crappy honestly. Even the AGX is a better shock, and most definitely a Koni, and some full coilovers. They were able to achieve high skidpad g's with that setup, so using today's better parts and technology, a 1g cb7 isn't unreasonable at all. I bet Ronald_Type-R's does more than that.
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Originally posted by owequitit View PostOn the CB7 I find the AGX to be completely inferior to the Illumina. Doesn't have enough travel, doesn't last as long, and the damping curves seem to be no better.There are no black and white suspension answers!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by mndude07 View PostI don't know about longevity, but the AGX tends to have better or equivalent compression numbers from what I've seen, and there is usually less crosstalk on the AGX. The compression has a greater affect on planting the wheels and that is where the illumina seems to lack. The rebound adjustment is generally better on the illumina though from what I've seen. I haven't seen graphs from the CB7 specifically, but I have for a couple of other cars...a mustang and a civic. I imagine the trends would be similar though because the technology on the inside of each shock is the same across multiple applications. Have you seen any cb7 graphs?
Originally posted by gloryaccordy View PostI am really debating getting a bigger rear sway... with Goodyear Eagle RS-As and 440/300# springs on Illuminas the car does NOT break traction under nearly any circumstances (I have yet to), but it leans so heavily. I almost feel like I don't have sway bars. I'm at the absolute limit of the balance of handling and traction spring/shock wise (Yellows would def improve low speed damping but it's not worth the $$$ to me), but a rear sway would keep the lean in check. Hopefully keep a little weight off the outside tires and prevent scrubbing.
Adding a rear sway bar will help to fix the problem of understeering.
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Originally posted by gcvphoto View PostMy car came with AGXs and I replaced them with Tokico Illuminas which have allowed the car to handle much better.There are no black and white suspension answers!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by mndude07 View PostIf the car came with the AGX's they could have been blown, and also the different shocks performing differently could be affected by the spring you were using. The Illumina may have a better adjustment range for the rebound, so the car has better turn-in characteristics and it handles better. I feel like the AGX would be the better shock for traction on irregular surfaces though(ie, public roads).
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Originally posted by owequitit View PostHaving had similar setups with both AGX and Illumina on the Accord, the Illumina is better. It rides better, handles better and sits lower. The only real downside I have found is that the adjustment for the illuminas is on the top of the shock, which makes the rears a pain in the ass to adjust. But other than that, I have found absolutely no downsides to the illumina on the Accord. So far, they have lasted longer as well.There are no black and white suspension answers!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by mndude07 View PostHow long did your AGX's last and how long have you had the Illumina's on? What springs? What settings were/are you running each at? I just want to find out fact and truth in these suspension threads, not argue. Everyone makes general statements and assumptions about one part vs another, but I want to be specific to the CB, so maybe post up your opinions in the spring, coilover, and damper thread for people to see, since that's exactly what that sticky is about.
All the data is in the MR thread.
The AGX's were somewhere around 40-50K by the time they needed replaced, and they were also on a set of sport springs, although H&R instead of Neuspeed. The Accord on illuminas sits lower than on AGX's, even though the springs were pretty similar. Also, we put the old springs on new shocks (I think they may have been blues, but don't remember anymore), and it sat lower too, so it was the AGX's that were limiting the ride height. They also did not ride as well as my current setup.
The only complaint I have about the Illuminas and Neuspeed sports is that there isn't really a damping curve that seems to match the springs perfectly. They are either just a touch stiffer than I would like, or a touch softer. So, I just put up with the little bit of stiffness. The ride is still perfectly acceptable though, and on "public roads" the handling is superb, although there is a little more initial lean due to the progressive nature of the spring.Last edited by owequitit; 02-07-2010, 04:14 PM.
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Originally posted by Noridetoolow View PostAwsome find and awesome article..... I cant get over smiling about this statement from the article;
"...the 1993 Accord now corners as well as a BMW M3."
all i can say is
I would really love to do a handling & ride quality test with some of the popular setups out there.
Originally posted by lordojaim with you on that one bro! aint nothing beat free food and drinks any day of the week, even if its at a funeral
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