Welfare

[HondaB18]

It was meant to be used as a temporary aid, to help those in need. Sure I can see a few instances where they would need it but most of the time its just capable people that scrubs off the system. I pay my taxes (quite a bit might I add) as do all members of my family.

Should I look down on those good for nothing abusing assbums? I mean they are assbums.

I don't know if there are any members on the system so this isn't directed to anyone here. Unless you are one of those assbums.

Discuss.

[Tippey764]

Deal with it.

[92turboaccord]

this isnt gonna end well

[fatboy1185]

[Daheavyking]

^^^^^ exactly.

[Pandemic]

drug testing SHOULD be mandatory.

Also, if you're taking money from the government, you should be forced to take financial planning to a). help you plan better and b). see wtf you're doing with the money.

Recipts should be collected too.

[JTM]

drug testing SHOULD be mandatory.

Also, if you're taking money from the government, you should be forced to take financial planning to a). help you plan better and b). see wtf you're doing with the money.

Recipts should be collected too.

Drug testing wouldn't show anything but marijuana use. Most other drugs are out of your system in hours/days.

Welfare is there to aid those in need. Of course, like everything, it can be abused. The system really relies on trust unfortunately. It has potential to help those in time of need.

[Dobermann]

I remember reading a story in the local paper about how our social assistance doesn't provide enough money for people to eat healthy. It showed a guy that was 21 and was receiving $650 a month in assistance. Their position to that was that government assistance should give more because he was spending $550 a month on a single bedroom apartment and had no money for food and other necessaries.

That would be fine, if he needed it. I was, at the time, working at a moving company. He appeared to be able bodied in the picture. I am working my ass off full time hauling fridges over my head through peoples cluttered houses, and he is getting a reasonable portion of my wages for not doing anything.

Furthermore, in the picture, this guy had a full sleeve tattoo in colour. Theres a solid years worth of food allowances. And he had some goofy lookin thug hat, which Im sure is another $75.

I do agree with the social assistance. But in cases like that it just bothers me because there are MUCH better uses for that money.

[Accrdwgnguy]

If assistance was more difficult to acquire/retain, maybe some of those people would be more motivated to find/keep a job.

My gf's sister QUIT her job because she wanted to have a kid.

Furthermore while pregnant she was applying for assistance left and right because her BF and her couldn't afford daily bills themselves. But she was denied most of the assistance because the kid hadn't popped out yet.

I love how the government is willing to pay for peoples recklessness. "Oh dont like the feel of condoms? No worries we can cover your childs bills and education"

Where as I, a responsible adult with birth control, gets fucked if I have a medical bill I can't cover. Yup instead of social healthcare, we have social welfare.

[JohnD1079]

Should I look down on those good for nothing abusing assbums? I mean they are assbums.

Yes you should. They are leeches to the society, and welfare(mhm taxpayers) shouldnt have to support them. I believe in Darwinism/survival of the fittest, and welfare, along with many other social programs prevent it.

Dont get me wrong, shit happens, and any civilized country should have a social net to put people back on their feet, but there should be a time limit, drug tests, etc... to make sure these people are actually getting back on their feet instead of sitting on their ass and being bums---->assbums. Determined people will get back on their feet no matter what(especially in America), and most likley feel ashamed to use money handed to them, therefore using it for however much they need.

Me and my family were all on welfare for 6mo-1yr when we first immigrated to this country. Now I get fucked by all the govt programs bc my parents own a business thats worth $xxx, and that means that I am not in financial need. But I dont take anything from my parents other than food and rent. I dont know anyone else in my CC that works as much as I. I still drive my cb7 while others are driving new cars getting aid.

I dont even like showing people were I live because people's natural instinct is to be jealous. I dont act rich, snotty, etc, and most of my friends have a wide financial background. I dont want people to see the house, cars in the driveway and then assume that I can pay whenever we go out. If I ever have to get dropped of my someone who dosent know where I live/ dont trust, I get dropped off in a close by neighborhood and walk. I dont like my dad picking me up because he drives a '10 s550, and people get that impression. What people dont know is that about the only thing me and my parents do together is sleep under the same roof. We're always busy with other shit to "spend quality time". Im lucky if I get to see him at 11-12 when he comes home and maybe get to talk for 15-30 min.

I actually told me dad NOT to lease the s550 because its not a smart $ move, etc. You know what he told me? If I didnt "buy" something, then I would just be paying more taxes and have nothing to show for it. Its that what we really want in this country?

If someone is rich, its most likley because they, or someone else worked for it. They dont owe anyone anything. Im gonna work my ass of so my kids wont have to, and Ill be damned if my hard work gets taken away from them to support some lazy fuck getting high on _____, and not actually trying in life. Fuck handouts, fuck leeches, fuck leaking tap's. Taxes should be a percentage all across the board, tax brackets are bullshit. Tax brackets are the reason rich people go to an extent to find loopholes and use them.

I could go on and on about this.........One of the reasons I left Canada to come back here, only to get slapped in the face by having Obama elected.

[jdmwannabee]

why aren't there ever any threads about how rich people scam the irs taking advantage of every loophole in existence paying less taxes on several millions than what some people pay on 40-50k?

[HondaB18]

I've dealt with it since I started working and paying my taxes at 16. I see that members telling me to deal with it are in their teens that I bet are not paying as much tax as me/the average Joe??? Ammmmmiright?

How easy is it to apply for welfare in my state?

http://www.massresources.org/massachusetts_welfare_programs_d.html

You get to see your eligibility online right after you click the submit button!!! Neato!

drug testing SHOULD be mandatory.

Also, if you're taking money from the government, you should be forced to take financial planning to a). help you plan better and b). see wtf you're doing with the money.

Recipts should be collected too.

Yes, financial tracing should be used. They should have transparency.

I remember reading a story in the local paper about how our social assistance doesn't provide enough money for people to eat healthy. It showed a guy that was 21 and was receiving $650 a month in assistance. Their position to that was that government assistance should give more because he was spending $550 a month on a single bedroom apartment and had no money for food and other necessaries.

That would be fine, if he needed it. I was, at the time, working at a moving company. He appeared to be able bodied in the picture. I am working my ass off full time hauling fridges over my head through peoples cluttered houses, and he is getting a reasonable portion of my wages for not doing anything.

Furthermore, in the picture, this guy had a full sleeve tattoo in colour. Theres a solid years worth of food allowances. And he had some goofy lookin thug hat, which Im sure is another $75.

I do agree with the social assistance. But in cases like that it just bothers me because there are MUCH better uses for that money.

Welfare is state planned, not sure how much the amount is broken down. But $650 a month for the guy is better than $0, they should think of it that way.

Thanks for actually understanding, glad I'm not the only one. I don't mind paying taxes for worthwhile programs (oxymoron I know).

[deevergote]

I have two friends that have recently been unemployed for an extended period of time.

One was a chemical engineer. He made $80,000 a year before he got laid off.
He collected $50,000 a year from unemployment... and milked it for 2 years. Did he find another job? No. Did he look to go back to school? No. Did he sit on his ass, play WoW, write a lame novel (based on his D&D exploits), and go to the gym every single day with the intention of getting his personal trainer license (which he may have by now, but hasn't used it...)? Absolutely.
I also called THE DAY he got laid off, and spoke to his wife (who was at the time one of my closest friends.) I told her to have him call me, and I'd take him to work with me. I offered to give him some work to at least keep him afloat. I reorganized my Friday schedule so I would have work to do on Saturday, and said that I would pick him up at 8am on Saturday. I got a call at 8:30am on Saturday saying "I'm too bummed... I can't go with you today."
He didn't use that unemployment money to get back on his feet with another job, or put himself back in school to be worth more to the workplace. Hell, 2 years of unemployment... that's the perfect amount of time to earn a Masters degree!
I don't talk to him anymore, because he absolutely disgusts me. He's not a crackhead with 5 bastard kids... he's an educated son of a lawyer that found an easy ride, and took it.

My other friend, one that I consider to be my brother... He got laid off after working 10 years at Comcast (cable company.) He never finished college, and had very few marketable skills to get another job. He also has health issues which limit what he's capable of doing. The day he got laid off, he filed for unemployment. Called me and asked if I could give him work. Went and got a part time job at a local hospital delivering stuff overnight so he'd have medical insurance. Went to the local college to see what courses he could take to get certified as an ultrasound tech... then went back to unemployment to see how to get that schooling paid for. Unfortunately, things changed right before he went back to school, and he had to postpone that plan...
Right now, THAT friend is struggling. Right now, THAT friend could use the unemployment money to get back on his feet, and to better himself to be more useful in the workplace. THAT friend is not getting the help he needs.

The other lazy bum is milking the system, and living large.



Yes, I know unemployment isn't welfare... but it's the same concept. Money for those who need it, who aren't able to earn it themselves for a time.
For people like that first friend... it should be cut. For people like the second, it should be available.

[Leung]

The day i got unemployed i filed too but i'm using that money to support myself while i'm going to school. I don't see myself getting laid off as a bad thing now but more of as a favor. I don't get a lot but it certainly is enough to keep me afloat until school is done with. The way i see it the money i'm receiving right now to help me, I paid into when i was working. I don't plan on staying on it forever just long enough to get me a degree in something.

I think we all have a "friend" that would milk the government for money. I too have one of those "friends" that worked for Amazon for eight months and then sat on unemployment for two years. The goofy thing is his mother bitches at him to either find another job or to get his ass enrolled into school or move out. He keeps saying he's going to enroll in the spring for classes but keeps putting it off. Isn't it too late to apply for FAFSA right now for spring semester? I thought you had to apply like several months in advance of when you plan to start school?
He texted me earlier to see if he could hang out tomorrow because his mom doesn't want him at home. I haven't replied yet because i would rather do my home work.

[wed3k]

i think we should take the welfare money and just build bridges...so people can get over it.