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    Screw "flat Rate.." Its A Scam!

    Doing things yourself has many benefits. You learn something new, have a sense of accomplishment, and avoid paying someone else to do it.

    But somewhere along the way, some genius came up with a way to standardize the entire industry according to generalized guide on how long things should take; then add an hour or so "just in case."

    Enter "Flat-Rate Time".

    We all know shops over-estimate on time (sometimes grossly) and it would appear to anybody with a brain that they are taking advantage of people by doing it.

    Most repair and body shops use a "flat-rate" manual. This can be from different sources but most commonly, Chiltons. Well, if the Chilton's book says it takes a half-hour to remove the front bumper light from a 93 Accord, should I be gouged for it? (We all know its one screw and a turn of the light bulb socket... 3 minutes if you count walking to the tool box to find a philips)

    Shop owners often blame the blatent "flat rate" deception on the fact that they must pay for overhead costs, tools and if the job takes longer than the "flat rate" time, they must eat it. Most places "eat it" by calling you on the phone and informing you of the "new estimate" they have prepared because they found some "new problems" they seemed to miss on their initial inspection. Car manufactures have their own set of books for labor times when dealers work on warranty claims. They are MUCH closer to the REAL amount of time it takes to perform a specific operation...but not for use by the general public.

    Why not just charge a higher per-hour rate to cover your overhead costs and tools and be honest about repair times? Instead you play off the general population's ignorance to auto repair?

    The most annoying part is the anger you ignite in an estimator or technician when you question his "flat-rate" quote. I mean, we all know it really CAN take a half-hour to remove a front bumper light from our cars.... if you move slow enough K I'M DONE VENTING.

    #2
    learn how to work on your car, nuff said.
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      #3
      hehe you need help removing the bumper lights do ya? hehe...jp
      Yes flat-rate is bs. "Oh its about a 1hr job" later on...."seams we need to drop your engine, repaint the car and charge you extra for beer, sorry". Grr!
      - Zipcreature
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        #4
        Originally posted by zipcreature
        hehe you need help removing the bumper lights do ya? hehe...jp
        Yes flat-rate is bs. "Oh its about a 1hr job" later on...."seams we need to drop your engine, repaint the car and charge you extra for beer, sorry". Grr!
        - Zipcreature

        you looks like the kid off of orange county choppers.

        p.s. i should get a job as a mechanic.

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          #5
          Originally posted by SteveB
          Are you willing to pay the higher cost of a slower, less experienced mechanic?

          Should a highly (and higher paid!) skilled mechanic who knows all the tricks and shortcuts bring in _less_ per job for the shop....or is he expected to do more jobs in a day?
          That is exactly what I was gonna say. The flat rate system is just a standardized way to pay mechanics and technicians, it has nothing to do with what the customer pays. If a shop were to raise the hourly rate, and lower the number of flag hours, this just means the shop makes more money and the technician gets paid less....meanwhile the customer still pays the same amount. There is no "scam" here, and nobody expects anyone to believe that it actually takes 2.7 hours to do a 30K mile service on an Accord, but that is how many hours the shop pays us for. Like I said, flag hours or flat rate has nothing to do with the customer really, it is just the basis on how us technicians get paid by our employer.

          So what is the problem here, what is it that you are bitching about....the system that we get paid on, or how much the customer pays the shop for a repair?
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            #6
            One question....

            What is the difference between FLAT RATE and FLAG HOURS ???

            140hp Aint Shit on A Heavy Ass Car!

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              #7
              Flat rate can also be used to your advantage. If you know what you are doing and know the shortcuts then you can finish the job well under flat rate time. The more you can get done in the day the more you get paid. Its not an hourly rate its a flat time pay. Every job have a set labor price and you get a part of the price. (differing depending on where you work) So if you work at a honda dealership and work only on hondas day in and day out you will get the rhythm of what you are doing, thus working fast beating flat rate time and earning more money.
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