Thinking about getting a crotch rocket in spring...

[sunburn]

the riders training course in my area they use 250's as training bikes , now i have done a little reading on this my self and belive that a riders body size has something to do with it as well for instance I am a big boy and those 250,s are way too damm small for me for someone to get a bike that your not comfortable on is not safe I then moved up to the 500 and then to a 1200, my point is being comfortable is key and as far as bike size I belive something around the 500 cc range is good and get fame sliders or crash bars, could save you some cash .

[Straight Success]

One other thing, the title of this thread is "Thinking about getting a crotch rocket in spring..." Where I am from, a crotch rocket means a super-sport bike. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that super-sport bikes (unless in professional races like the 250 AMA) start at 600 for most companies. But there is a possibility that I could be under a different impression with terminology.

[XLR Azn]

I have had a 250 for 3 years now and I can assure you that I have not grown a pussy or vagina. Yes I do want to move up to a 600 or even a liter bike but funds are short for now.

Some people are lucky enough to have learned to ride at young ages on dirt bikes or smaller capacity bikes. If you are a novice or just plain do not have any experience, either ask a buddy who does have a bike to let you try it out or take the MSF course. You can't just hop on a bike and expect to be a natural at it. You gotta know the basics of how the machine works. Then after proper instructions, then you can look into getting a bike.

I took the 250 to the California Superbike School at Streets of Willow Springs and I was really keeping up with 600's there. My instructor was impressed that a carburated 2 cylinder 248cc designed in the 1980's could keep pace with the latest 600's (they used 2007 ZX6-R for the school). Even other riders were asking to make sure it was a 250... How? Because I am much closer to the limits of my bike. Since I have ridden the shit out of it for the last few years, I know how it will react in certain situations (opening throttle before the apex of a corner, braking mid-corner, shifting body positions to move the weight bias off of the front end, etc.) I could brake way later than other riders, carry way more entry speed and apply throttle earlier to beat them around corners. And still I feel there is much more impovement on my part.

Even when you look at world class racers (MotoGP, World Superbike and to a lesser extent, AMA Superbike) where did they all start on? Either dirt bikes or 125cc racing bikes. None of the world's top riders were street riders who just hopped on a R1 and were naturals. They moved up in their respective classes.

Not only do you move on with a bike you are comfortable with, but learn at a pace that you are comfortable with too. You can get a litre bike as your first bike... No one on a stupid internet forum is gonna stop you. Just be smart about it and go about it your own way.

[boosted4life]

hey straight success my friend will sell ya his 98 r1 that puts down 155whp for 4g if ya want

[Straight Success]

hey straight success my friend will sell ya his 98 r1 that puts down 155whp for 4g if ya want

Thanks, but mine is most likely comming from the showroom floor (unless I find a good one with extremely low miles, and a good price). I will keep that in mind for my homie though. I also only want a 2002 or up R1 if I purchase one that's preowned. Most likely a 2005 R1 though.

I don't know how my funds will be due to the lack of work I have or am doing... So if I do fall into the I don't have enough for a litre bike, I will most likely try to obtain a blue Yamaha R6 (race ready (track) version, or the non -S version) or a black on black CBR 600RR. We'll see.

[verothacamaro]

Yea, notice I said me. I am very responsible, but yet I'm still a rida'. Nothing will eva change that. It's in my DNA. That's why my family has always used their networking capabilities to stop me from getting a bike. When I had all of my 5 dirtbikes, I had my fun but was semi-responsible. Now I am older and maturer, soo... I gonna get whatever I can, yes that's me. Anyone who knows me personally, knows that's how it goes... YOU GET IT!

EDIT: Another thing, It's not like I am giving bad advice. I am steering the young lad in the correct direction. I make my own choices and I live with them.

Any reason you can't spell correctly on a forum? or is that part of being a 'rida'?

just curious

[Straight Success]

Any reason you can't spell correctly on a forum? or is that part of being a 'rida'?

just curious

It would take one character to ask a question like that. The word rider and rida' have two different definitions. You know, normally I would say some smart @ss remark, but I am realizing that the diversities are great here (so we are all different), so that makes some ignorant to the fact of THIS IS A FUCKIN' FORUM, NOT A TERM PAPER. For one to overcome the ignorance of the diversity on this forum, you must understand that we are all different and come from different social backgrounds. Now normally I would say how intelligent I am, and yatta yatta yatta... but I realize that you probably need a hug.

[verothacamaro]

well.......the reason I ask, is because most browsers have misspellings underlined.

I'm not a excellent speller by any means, but I can right click and correct the problem fairly easily.

I didn't know there was a difference between 'Rida' and Rider....

care to inform me?

I don't the reason to misspell that's all.

yes I do need a hug....

[Straight Success]

well.......the reason I ask, is because most browsers have misspellings underlined.

I'm not a excellent speller by any means, but I can right click and correct the problem fairly easily.

I didn't know there was a difference between 'Rida' and Rider....

care to inform me?

I don't the reason to misspell that's all.

yes I do need a hug....

Don't worry, I'll send a beautiful young lady to cum give you a hug, compliments of Straight Success.

The term rider is a noun that indicates a person that's doing some type of riding (a verb) on whatever the vehicle or means of transportation.

The term rida' can mean so many different things/have so many definitions that I will not post them here. But I will make sure you get the definition(s).

[blazenem]

i hate it when people say start small, start small. as long as you respect any bike you will be ok. you get a 250 you might aswell get a damn bicycle in my opinion. all you do is take the msa course and take it slow, ride around the neighbor hood and learn the bike. i lived in a culdesac and thats where i learned i didnt have anyone either to show me anything. i taught myself on that culdesac and the worked my way up to bigger streets. and like someone else said get some good gear, ie. helmet, jacket and pants or a full suit. i know we live in az and its nice most of the time but dont wear shorts lol just in case. also i suggest gettin frame sliders and maybe some race plastics till you get good at riding . cause i say 90% or riders fall once or twice maybe even more. when you get you bike i might have mine by then too, and maybe we could hit up the mountains out here its fun lol...

[Jarrett]

Stright Success, please don't insult my lack of knowledge as for what the "experts" are saying. The "experts" are magazine editors. Only once out of the many magazines I have have I seen the magazine publish an article over an editor in a racing class. Even then it was club racing and not a professional organization. Beyond that it's mostly track days. Pretty similar to the way car magazines contain articles about professional racers and for the most part not their Joe-Blow-Nobody ass. My point is a magazine editor is biased in that he wants to promote sport bikes for his sport bike publication. If Sport Rider, for example, was littered with EX250s the seasoned riders that read the magazine would probably move on. They are magazine editors. Not someone whose opinion counts. They are selling you on products so that they get money. It's called advertisement. Either way, I own and ride a motorcycle thus making me more of an "expert" on the situation. Even though by default.

[F20A CB7]

i hate it when people say start small, start small. as long as you respect any bike you will be ok. you get a 250 you might aswell get a damn bicycle in my opinion. all you do is take the msa course and take it slow, ride around the neighbor hood and learn the bike. i lived in a culdesac and thats where i learned i didnt have anyone either to show me anything. i taught myself on that culdesac and the worked my way up to bigger streets. and like someone else said get some good gear, ie. helmet, jacket and pants or a full suit. i know we live in az and its nice most of the time but dont wear shorts lol just in case. also i suggest gettin frame sliders and maybe some race plastics till you get good at riding . cause i say 90% or riders fall once or twice maybe even more. when you get you bike i might have mine by then too, and maybe we could hit up the mountains out here its fun lol...

Do u have any idea if they sell a carbon fiber helmet or carbon vest, knee pads?

[F20A CB7]

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[Jarrett]

i hate it when people say start small, start small. as long as you respect any bike you will be ok. you get a 250 you might aswell get a damn bicycle in my opinion. all you do is take the msa course and take it slow, ride around the neighbor hood and learn the bike. i lived in a culdesac and thats where i learned i didnt have anyone either to show me anything. i taught myself on that culdesac and the worked my way up to bigger streets. and like someone else said get some good gear, ie. helmet, jacket and pants or a full suit. i know we live in az and its nice most of the time but dont wear shorts lol just in case. also i suggest gettin frame sliders and maybe some race plastics till you get good at riding . cause i say 90% or riders fall once or twice maybe even more. when you get you bike i might have mine by then too, and maybe we could hit up the mountains out here its fun lol...

Sure, you're right. If you start out on a larger than safe bike but take it safe then sure, you will eventually begin to grasp the concept and be able to aggressively commute. But, that stil is an incredibly stupid decision. If this world was nothing but you on the road then it would be ideal but you're not. What about the first hairy situation you encounter with another driver. Will you know how to handle it? Probably not. No, you'll probably be another statistic. Supposing that one is not that bad, will you come out on top during the next one?

This is just an issue over how cool you'll look. You don't want to get a small bike because it's not cool. It's not what chicks will like or something stupid like that. Just do it right and be better for it. It seems on this forum like the people who actually own a motorcycle are giving advice pretty consistent with mine while it's the ones who are talking out of their ass who are saying to go get a literbike. Sure, go finance the newest, coolest thing on the showroom floor and lay it over right in front of the store like a noob.

Stright Success, take that talk over to some Sportbike forum(www.gixxer.com) and see what type of response you get. I'm a member over there. Why don't you register and do it by tonight so I can read the replies. Come on, you a rida ain't ya?

[Straight Success]

Stright Success, please don't insult my lack of knowledge as for what the "experts" are saying. The "experts" are magazine editors. Only once out of the many magazines I have have I seen the magazine publish an article over an editor in a racing class. Even then it was club racing and not a professional organization. Beyond that it's mostly track days. Pretty similar to the way car magazines contain articles about professional racers and for the most part not their Joe-Blow-Nobody ass. My point is a magazine editor is biased in that he wants to promote sport bikes for his sport bike publication. If Sport Rider, for example, was littered with EX250s the seasoned riders that read the magazine would probably move on. They are magazine editors. Not someone whose opinion counts. They are selling you on products so that they get money. It's called advertisement. Either way, I own and ride a motorcycle thus making me more of an "expert" on the situation. Even though by default.

Alright granted, I'll give you that. But in these articles, advice is given not only from the editors, but professional/ carreer oriented riders as well. I have read interviews conducted on professionals in reference to beginner riders. People such as Miguel Duhamel, Rickey Gadson, Valentino Rossi and many others. They mostly say a 600 is an almost perfect beginner bike for all walks of life.

Although they are only opinions of others, and may only serve as advertisment purposes, I believe that they (the professionals) would not steer the general public wrong to make a quick couple of dollars from an interview. They already have great carreers with great salaries.

Being as it may, this has been a nice little debate about different opinions, but the originator of this thread hasn't posted lately. I guess he has his answer(s) by now.

Thanks all.

EDIT: One other thing I ment to mention, you can fall on a 250 just as eaisly as you can a 600.