Considering Bisi stage 1 cam

[93accordfreak]

Hi guys.
Does anyone have first hand experience with a Bisi cam regrind? I'm thinking about the stage 1, because my car is primarily a DD and reliability/fuel economy is important to me.

At the same time, I'd like a little more power from my A1. Could I get away with my P12 ECU on the stage 1 cam? I'm sure ECU+tuning is recommended for all aftermarket cams, but I know no-one who tunes, and honestly if I'd have to get a tune (somehow) I'd rather do something more like his stage 2 offering.

Thanks for any input.

-Kenny

[rexload]

I don't know anyone with the bisi stage1, but sounds like a good plan. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to run that with the P12.

[deevergote]

The Stage 1 shoudn't need a tune to run properly... you'd just get more out of it if you tuned. It's a very mild cam.

For such a mild application, I would prefer going with a Delta 260 or 272... they're far cheaper. I think Bisi is awesome, but if you're on a budget, you can get similar results for far less when it comes to the lower-end cam grinds.

Of course, Bisimoto parts are cooler.

[93accordfreak]

Thanks for the suggestions.

So the Delta 272 is pretty much the same thing? I've heard stories both ways for tuning with that one.

I do appreciate the fact that Bisi's cam was specifically intended for our engine application as well, unlike the so-called "generic" regrind that delta uses.

I'd like the most bang for my buck, and if delta will do that I'll consider that instead. Any fuel-mileage input from someone with a 272? I'm guessing the performance is comparable to the Bisi stage 1.


Thanks again guys!

[93accordfreak]

Top...
Who has a 272 that can give me some more insight? (No Bisi pun intended )

[rexload]

I had a 272 at one point and ran on the stock Accord ECU for about a week before I switched to a chipped ECU.

Set your idle to about 850rpm, you should be able to get a decent idle and it sounds awesome with that cam.

On the stock ECU I was able to feel a little power bump above 4000rpm BUT 2000-3000 rpm is completely different from the stock cam, there is A LOT LESS torque. Especially going uphill, there was like no difference between 25% throttle and wide open throttle but it did start pulling above at~3000rpm and above.

When I switched to a chipped ECU, I got a solid timing map from d112crzy. With more timing, it pulled just like the stock cam at 2000-3000rpm. So I suggest at least getting a chipped ECU with a good basemap from someone who knows what they are doing.

Also After I tuned my fuel, the car pulled almost like an H22. I think that with smart breathing modifications and a knowledgeable tuner, this cam can make around 50 horsepower.

Honestly, I would go with something like delta260 if I was planning to use the stock ECU.
But you will get a bump in power with the 272 but like I said 2000-3000rpm will suck on the stock ECU

[93accordfreak]

Thanks.
I think the Bisi cam would be a little more suited to my needs. The price of an ECU and tuning (if I could figure it out) would probably be as much if not more than the Bisi cam's price over the Delta. Plus, as stated, I get that Bisi "bling" factor. Low end torque is a priority in my auto, and for daily driveability reasons.

I really appreciate all the help guys.

-Kenny

[Accrdwgnguy]

Yes I think you will be alot happier with the Bisi cam, as from what I have read, the Delta cams focus more on the upper rpm ranges.

[liljohn92lx]

When I switched to a chipped ECU, I got a solid timing map from d112crzy. With more timing, it pulled just like the stock cam at 2000-3000rpm. So I suggest at least getting a chipped ECU with a good basemap from someone who knows what they are doing.

Also After I tuned my fuel, the car pulled almost like an H22. I think that with smart breathing modifications and a knowledgeable tuner, this cam can make around 50 horsepower.

did you have an auto or stick? cause ive been looking for someone who has or can do a ecu for an auto? some ppl say no and some say yes but the ppl that say yes dont give any info on who did theres.

[rexload]

stick, I am not sure about autos, sorry. But I am sure it can be done.

[NoRice84]

I would go with Bisi

[F22HB]

Delta 272's are great camsticks. I can't wait for someday someone to compare a bisi vs a delta for us.

[liljohn92lx]

Delta 272's are great camsticks. I can't wait for someday someone to compare a bisi vs a delta for us.

did you ever dyno yours with the delta??

[F22HB]

Nope.

[liljohn92lx]

d@mn that sucks,
oh well when i get done with puting it in ill take it to the dyno and throw some numbers up for everybody to see.