balancer belt replacement issue

[93cbh23]

replaced timing belt, water pump, and balcer belt along with all seals and such. issue upon reassembly:
follwing honda workshop manual
when installing belt the belt and lower crank pulley go on together, i have gotten them aligned and all, but the small spring(upper right) has zero tension and the idler pulley has to be pushed down for tension to be achieved. doesn't seem right since the round cap nut locks the idler in place, it seems like it should move right? any ideas, i have not lost any pieces they all went right into ziplocs and trays, had nelson(nail05) come over and between the two of us no luck. any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

also anyone in dallas area let me know.liek to know of some nieghbors

[NAiL05]

Bumpage. Got me stumped my spring at least had some tension. His was loose and looked like if you started up the car the spring would just fall off lol thats how loose it is. There are a couple Dallas people but most are in Arlington and such. You should check the regionals and come to that nov 4 meet you will make it =D bring a 4 quart thing of oil =P. But yea bump it up yo.

[BIEN_DIESEL]

disconneting blance shaft belt are fun and easy.. motor revs up faster

[cp[mike]]

common issue... probably due to having a new unstretched new belt? put it back together and tighten the main 14mm lock nut, twist the motor over a few times by turning the crank, and try redoing the tensioners. i generally just give a tiny push with my finger on the balancer belt pulley before tightening it down finally, even though the manual says not to. i do it because of the same issue youre having. the balancer belt shouldnt be as tight as the timing belt. also, to make sure that spring doesnt fall off ever, i usually bend in the ends of the hooks so its stuck on the peg.

[NAiL05]

also, to make sure that spring doesnt fall off ever, i usually bend in the ends of the hooks so its stuck on the peg.

Yep we did that I think its still a tad bit loose. But thats the only thing holding the h22a back basically. Appreciate the info people =D.

[93cbh23]

yeah i'm lost i went to a honda dealer today at lunch and just walked in the shop in my ford uniform and asked a few other techs they said basically the same thing. but to clarify....
assemble and tighten the bolt that holds the lever the spring is on so belt is taught not tight tight and turn her over a few times then try again? question... is the idler pulley supossed to be able to move with the tension the spring generates or what ?????????????????????? b/c it doesnt seem possible, if i tighten it down with the washer it came with upon disassembly it basically locks the pulley in place and at the tightness i set when tightened down. what should be a fair estimate of torque rating to tight 14mm lock nut??? thanks for the help guys

[Caution]

ok....line ur head up with timing mark....line your block up on the timing mark....put ur belt on with the front having it being tite...work your way from front bottom to back and up....make sure your tensioner pulley is hooke to the spring and the back of it is hook up to that stud pole that is suppose to swing on....now pull the tension up with one hand and tigten it down then rotate the motor 4 complete cycles counter clock wise and relosen the tensioner pulley and retiten it back up....then lock it in place with the little screw bolt that u suppose to use up in the front of the tensioner pully and remove your tensioner pulley bolt so u can put your balance shaft stuff on.... once u got your balancer shaft and stuff on and rite....put your tensioner bolt back in and remove that little bolt that u put up front of the tensioner pulley to hold it in place....spin the motor round and round with your hand tools and make sure the marks are ligned up again!

[93cbh23]

upon doing this timing belt and cam seal replacement, the cams rotated and i lined them back up but when they are aligned the timing marks and flywheel are not and if the flywheel is timed then the cams are not. keep in mind this engine is on a stand in my living room so all repairs are relatively easy to get to (except rear main)

[Caution]

i believe the block has to rotate twice for the marks to both line up, or is it the other way around....if they both never ever do ever line up then your timing is off