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H22 Vs H23....

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    #31
    Originally posted by green cb7
    im not i like how the crossover kick but stock for stock i kinda like the h23 a little better

    that was directed towards the OP :o
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      #32
      frankenstien it get the best of both worlds f22 bottom h23 head



      GOT BOOST???



      massive part out on accord almost everything is going

      http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=125294

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        #33
        Originally posted by Dep22build
        frankenstien it get the best of both worlds f22 bottom h23 head

        Why is an F22 bottom better?

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          #34
          Originally posted by Dep22build
          frankenstien it get the best of both worlds f22 bottom h23 head
          How is an F22 bottom end better?

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            #35
            Originally posted by owequitit
            Yes, quite a bit.

            Let's put it this way. Ray had an H23 auto 4th gen Prelude, and Dr Loveskudangs old H22 Accord with 5 speed, cams and some other mods.

            It didn't run the best, but the H23 Prelude absolutely RAPED it. I am talking like 4 car lengths by 75 and pulling raped. And Ray KNOWS how to drive.
            hahah

            I love responding to your posts. Your responses are always helpful.


            Originally posted by Dep22build
            frankenstien it get the best of both worlds f22 bottom h23 head
            yeah, i hope you mean h22 head and h23 bottom end. But even so, like owequitit just said, you can modify the h22 to make up for its weak points and save the hassle.

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              #36
              we should get to identical cars with same mods one with a h22 an other with h23 vtec and race them hahaha

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                #37
                Originally posted by Bcozzi71
                we should get to identical cars with same mods one with a h22 an other with h23 vtec and race them hahaha

                The answer would be very similar times. With the H23 performing better in the low end, and the H22 in the top end.

                Assuming all else is equal.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by owequitit
                  The H23 has much more torque and a linear powerband.

                  It is faster than an H22 in every regard until the H22 gets to 5500, by which time, it has some catching up to do, and it isn't faster enough to do it.
                  i would really have to disagree with you on this and all the other posts about h23's being faster then h22's. I have had both h23a1 and h22a in my accord and i have time slips proving that the h22 was faster in the 60 foot, 330 feet, 1/8 mile, 1000 feet, and 1/4 mile. And my h22 isn't even running the best it should.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by H23CB7
                    i would really have to disagree with you on this and all the other posts about h23's being faster then h22's. I have had both h23a1 and h22a in my accord and i have time slips proving that the h22 was faster in the 60 foot, 330 feet, 1/8 mile, 1000 feet, and 1/4 mile. And my h22 isn't even running the best it should.

                    Sorry, but not based on what I have seen.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by owequitit
                      Sorry, but not based on what I have seen.
                      well just based on the results i have had at the track with both motors, the h22 is faster in everyway.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by H23CB7
                        well just based on the results i have had at the track with both motors, the h22 is faster in everyway.

                        That's cool.

                        I have usually seen the H23 pull on the bottom and the H22 on top. Realistically, based on what I have seen, they are both pretty even. The H22 is not overwhelmingly powerful below 5500 but makes up for it in the top end. Whereas the H23 makes advantage of its displacement on the bottom, but doesn't pull as high.

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                          #42
                          My F22A1 has manual VTEC
                          I noticed that WOT and Just Behind WOT are the same power accept for loudness
                          So I JBWOT to 4800, then I WOT to 6300
                          I tell you, the ricers think I got somethin special

                          As for the H23 vs H22
                          The H23 is better for FI
                          Its an older style engine, but its fast

                          The H22 is the best of both worlds...
                          Fuel economy when you want it, racing when you want it.
                          Last edited by CB7Man; 12-05-2007, 02:24 AM.
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by owequitit
                            That's cool.

                            I have usually seen the H23 pull on the bottom and the H22 on top. Realistically, based on what I have seen, they are both pretty even. The H22 is not overwhelmingly powerful below 5500 but makes up for it in the top end. Whereas the H23 makes advantage of its displacement on the bottom, but doesn't pull as high.
                            i will agree with you on that. My numbers show that the h22 is just a little faster up to the 1/8th mile but after that the h23 has some catching up to do.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by owequitit
                              How is an F22 bottom end better?
                              how isnt it is the question??? stronger than an h22 by far in stock form its built like a tank and its great for boosting even without modding and by using an h23 head you get the top end power = best of both world



                              GOT BOOST???



                              massive part out on accord almost everything is going

                              http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=125294

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Dep22build
                                how isnt it is the question??? stronger than an h22 by far in stock form its built like a tank and its great for boosting even without modding and by using an h23 head you get the top end power = best of both world

                                I think you are mistaking.

                                In stock form, they are very similar strength, and the H22 has things like a shorter stroke, oil squirters etc, all which help reliability.

                                The ONLY real advantage the F22 has below 10PSI, is that it has an 8.8:1 compression instead of 10.0-11.0:1.

                                As far as crank/rods/bearings/etc, they are more or less equal. They both have cast pistons etc.

                                Oh, and even though the H22 has FRM sleeves (which aren't necessarily weak as much as finicky) it is also closed deck for all 1993-1995 engines, which isn't something I can say for the F22. So if you sleeve the H22, then the F really has no advantage.

                                But what if you don't want to boost? Then its advantages are pretty much moot.

                                Not to mention the fact that an H23 head in stock form on an F22 block in stock form is not going to have anywhere near the top end of the H22. It is still going to run out of air around 6K.

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