Good solid info for calc's and reference and whatnot...
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1232811
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1232811
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Just sharing the wealth...Originally posted by Rick SolisYour welcome
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bunch of bastards.. TU rick.. u should post here more often...
bunch of bastards...
since were on this topic u guys are better at calculating this shit than i am
F22a block
bored to 87mm
f22a crank
f22a rods
h22a4 pistons
what would compression be?
i know pirate with his G23 had to modify the head due to the pistons peeking out the hole too much.. well.. that was with 97mm stroke.. with 95mm.. this shouldnt be a problem..
so.. if his build yield 12:1 or so ?? was it? then the f22a setup should be somewhere in the 11s.. correct?
just curoius.. i promise.. just curious
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F22 bored to 87 isnt safe, dont do it...Originally posted by WiKKeDV16bunch of bastards.. TU rick.. u should post here more often...
bunch of bastards...
since were on this topic u guys are better at calculating this shit than i am
F22a block
bored to 87mm
f22a crank
f22a rods
h22a4 pistons
would would compression be?
i know pirate with his G23 had to modify the head due to the pistons peeking out the hole too much.. well.. that was with 97mm stroke.. with 95mm.. this shouldnt be a problem..
so.. if his build yield 12:1 or so ?? was it? then the f22a setup should be somewhere in the 11s.. correct?
just curoius.. i promise.. just curious
Im waiting on dome volume specs for each of the pistons I have listed in that thread... Once I have that ill calculate every combination of crank/rod/piston/head you can think of in the H/F blocksComment
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Originally posted by Rick Solis
its going to be sleeved smart guy
btw.. didnt pirate bore like 1mm or so over? 86mm to 87mm for the h22a pistons? thats also another option..
this is way offtopic but whats the bore of the ITR pistons? 86mm correct? fastwanabe is running them in his f23a.. would make that another potential setup
f22a bored to 86mm
f22a crank
f22a rods
ITR pistons
pin bore
F22 = .8649-.8654
F23 = .8649-.8654
so.. if it fit on the f23a.. it would fit on the f22a oh the possibilitiesLast edited by WiKKeDV16; 05-05-2005, 10:17 AM.
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its the cast iron sleeves not the closed deck...which it doesn't have a closed deck anywaysOriginally posted by 90AccordSiRKnowledge is power...in EVERY sense of the word
FSAE (F Series Accord Enthusiasts) ..."A dying breed thats taking it to the next level" #12Comment
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OMG...this is like an early christmas present..thank you rick...YOU DA MAN
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Just because 1 person does something stupid and gets away with it doesnt mean everyone else should...
I honestly dont know what Pirate was thinking running a F23 block at 87mm... I know it wasnt to try and make up for the difference in bore/combustion chamber diameter because he didnt even know that would be a factor untill I posted about well after his build... You can get away with it on stock sleeves for a short amount of time but you are very limited in terms of tuning... You have to pull timing back a bunch and run a ver conservative tune... Not good for power... Any detonation with the sleeves that thin and that shit will crack and crumble...
the whole H head/F block deal is a waste of time... Ive explained why several times on HT... People dont seem to care though, they are either not understanding the things I have to say (maybe a little too technical) or are too blinded by the 'wow, you can do that for cheap" state of thought...
Oh well, to each his own...
As for the solid deck block comment...
No, just because a motor is/has a solid deck doesnt make it better for turbo... That goes hand in hand with the "oh, it has low compression so its good for tuebo" way of thinking...Talk to Dan Benson, probably the best sleeves you can get in the world... 100% open deck... Solid deck blocks dont cool as well as open deck, I prefer open deck... As a matter of fact, Im working on a couple of projects now with a major piston manufacturer and the the block we are using for the first buold is a H22A4 (open deck H block)...Comment
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agreed that the hybrid isnt for everybody but for waste of time? thats a point of view.. ive read ur posts on H-T and know ur facts behind it.. but that pertained moreso to the G23s with ur main complaint of shitty R/S ratio...Originally posted by Rick Solis
why is creating a h23a with iron sleeves such a bad thing? 2mm less of stroke(referring to the f22a) same crank.. lower compression (wouldnt be optimal n/a unless pistons were replaced) but.. ugh.. i understand ur point and then i see the benefit in it as well.. i guess i can go both ways on that arguement
but isnt the service bore limit usually 1mm over? i.e 85mm-86mm.. 86mm-87mm etc? or is it .5mm?Last edited by WiKKeDV16; 05-05-2005, 10:37 AM.
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sticky this shit
Dynamic racing
Look out for 4 point cb7 strut bars for dohc!!!
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Service limit is easy to find, just call Honda and ask them what size they have as an OS option... I beleive it is .25/.010, but then again, I dont really mess with F blocks too much so I dont keep track of that stuff...Originally posted by WiKKeDV16
I dont have a problem really with r/s ratios in some applications, I am building 2 drag motors with r/s ratios far below anything youd imagine... It has nothing to do with that... Theres a lot more to a build then r/s ratios...
For NA stroke is great, for turbo you dont want or need it...
The whole idea isnt a very good one, its just another ghetto backyard deal that will make the cheapo's happy... Most dont care that the potential of their hyrbid is less of a non hybrid H nor do they realize it or understand why... Ive learned to just let them do what they do, Ill talk myself blue to that group and it wouldnt matter "cheap, cheap, doesnt cost much, H head, must be fast if its got an H head"
You cant do much to stear people away from a bad idea if thats all theyre basing their build plans on... The right way is too expensive for them or too much work and scares them away...
Thats cool, Anyone doing anything serious knows the difference anyway, I dont usually have to explain things to that crwod...Last edited by Rick Solis; 05-05-2005, 10:45 AM.Comment
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omg.. some good fucking debate!! w00t!! need something like this.. someone to bitch back at me!! lol (not that your bitching).. ok..
state your reasons on here why the hybrid is a bad idea... it is cheap to a certain extend and it depends on what u do.. heres something that boggles my mind to what your saying
f22a block and a f22b or h23a head.. is basiclly IDENTICAL to a F22B DOHC.. so.. honda made this motor.. was that a bad idea?
f20a sohc with a f22b dohc head is basiclly IDENTICAL to a f20a DOHC.. honda made this motor.. was that a bad idea??
you see where im going? i mean i understand the whole hybridization factor but.. its the same thing..
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allright i have a pistons question. my friend has a set of type s pistons that are oversized. now he has an h22a4 he was planning on the light hone to make the cylinder walls uniform for new pistons but the oversized pistons are +.25 right?
so does that mean he falls at the very end of the maximum for that kind of hone?
on a side note is it okay to use the helms manuals specs for this or is there another kind of honing stone?Comment
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