H22 - or S2000?

[npor]

i'd say keep the accord.

the S2K is an awesome car...but not practical. i'd save it for a later day. or, for that matter, something cooler might come out when you're ready to buy the S2K in some years.

who knows.

anyway, i'd just mod your accord. h22, whatever.

that's just me though

[kmart64]

lol I know its not an option, but a prelude you might like with manual h23 or h22 would be a great fit. Great speed and also the *option of carrying more than 2 people.

[deevergote]

Just ran an insurance quote online, 19 year old Ontario male, good driving record, 2002 S2000.

$355 a month. Ouch...and that's if your record remains spotless.

Changing to a CB7, and becoming 25, lowered it to $135.

Plugging in *my* info....$45.
Online insurance quote

So what you're saying, Steve, is that he should wait till he's old to buy a sports car?
Looks like insurance in Ontario isn't much better than insurance in NJ! I know those figures would be a little lower in USD, but not by all that much. I think I'm paying about $40 a month for each of my cars at the moment... and then a bundle for my wife's 02 SE, since that has full coverage. My cars are just liability... and the very minimum at that! (not smart, I know).


Dru, DhN has an H22, so he's probably a bit faster than your Escort. It is true though... there are cars out there that are engineered to be a bit sportier than our Accords... the CB7 was never really intended to be sporty in any way. The 3rd generation was the last Accord to get any type of sportscar styling (good suspension, flippy lights which were sporty at the time, hatchback design was also sporty.)

The s2k is probably out of your range in terms of affordability (especailly if your insurance is comparable to the insurance in NJ, which is pretty high). The H22 in the CB7 is nice, but drucifer has a point... there ARE better platforms. I happen to like the CB7 for more reasons than it's sportiness. It has performance potential, but it also has some refined comfort and luxury, clean styling that ISN'T sporty (that's a plus to me... I don't want something that looks like a sports car), room for anything I want to carry (and I've transported LOTS of things...), safety, and good fuel economy. Plus, it's cheap to own, cheap to modify, and the aftermarket is reasonably priced and large enough to keep me happy. Also, I kinda like my fellow enthusiasts

If you want something different... perhaps a little sportier... there are some older, affordable options that have many of the same qualities as the CB7. The 240sx is a good car, RWD, nice swap options (and the KA24DE aftermarket isn't too shabby either), comfort, looks, fair fuel economy... the only downside is that they're a bit overpriced thanks to the drifting craze (thanks, Super Street and Tokyo Drift!). Convertible models exist, if you want to go that route.
Another option, if you don't mind slightly higher repair and upkeep costs, would be the Volvo 740/940. The turbo or twin cam engines make between 150 and 165hp, and they have some nice potential. RWD, stock LSD, comfy as hell, reliable, very common (easy to find used parts), and about as safe as a RWD car can possibly be! They weigh about 3000lbs, so they aren't too far from the CB7 in terms of weight. The non-turbo ones are dogs though... I know that from experience (still a nice ride, but man... no guts whatsoever!)

[growguy]

i'm inclined to say that for someone turning 19 a cb7 is an ideal car for the time being. fun to drive, parts are inexpensive and insurance is inexpensive. if you really want an s2k, wait till you have financial security and more driving experience. s2k's will still be around when you are ready.

[deevergote]

If they're not, then they aren't worth the cost!

[HondaB18]

What do you want the thread to tell you? Do you want the members to assure you that although you can afford a used S2K you should instead get the H22? Its personal preference and you should think for youself. I do not know your financial standings or situation so I'm just gonna say if you got the S2k now will you regret it later.

[Falder]

Buy the s2k
swap the engines(forget about everybody saying its RWD, it dosen't matter when your dreaming.)
Make sure your F looks really fucking clean inside the s2k
Sell the s2k to some old hag/mid-life crisis man who doesn't know shit.'


I would actually die laughing if I ever heard of somebody buying a s2k that ended up having a F series engine.

[growguy]

I would actually die laughing if I ever heard of somebody buying a s2k that ended up having a F series engine.

s2k engines are f series

[93_EXR.]

s2k engines are f series

I think he was saying swap the S2k engine into the cb7 and put the F22a6 in the s2k and sell it,



So I live at home still, mom helps pay for insurance and some car repairs, but i also work full time at honda. so i have lots of income. i just have to but gas in my car.

If i bought S2K i would now have more insurance and monthly payments of about $$5-600 + gas, My plan is to go big down payment on a used S2k if i go thru with it!!

Parts are probley $$$ i can do the labour.
And some people said driveing exsperance, well my boss took me to Mosport For a 2 day drivers traning course on just S2000 with him a little after i started there.
Started off following pace car then fast each lap very fun time, i was the oly young guy. that when i fell in love with the S2K

[Masamune]

Most of us are in love with the S2K mang. Hell, I am too, and I'm 19 as well. The practicality side of things is what stops me though. The money point has been well driven home at this point. Don't wait till your old to get a sports car, wait until like 22 I think. At least here in the US that's when insurance drops off MASSIVELY providing you have a clean record.

The H22 in the CB7 is an incredible combination. The Accord, while not the lightest platform out there, is lighter than the Prelude the H22 is native to. Another option is dump an H23 (or that other JDM DOHC, non-VTEC engine) into there and turbo the beast. Minor though it may be, you get a small extra bit of displacement, have a REAL reason to be on premium (VTEC notwithstanding) and more than likely will be making somewhere in the ballpark of 220 to 230 hp. Plus you can't beat the sound of a blow-off valve. It's addictive.

hmmmm....

s2000: $25,000
H22 : $2500

why are we trying to compare these again?

And I think this pretty much sums up what I've been getting at.

As for other platforms to build from, hell just pick a manufacturer and there's bound to be a beaut in the mix! You could go with the MkII, III, or IV Supra (80's models, FTW), Nissan has the 240sx, don't even THINK about Kia or Hyundai, Hell if you wanted one of the best sleeper cars go for a Buick Grandnational GNX. Bad. to. the. BONE! I don't thin insurance would be too bad either.

In closing, my vote goes for modding the CB7. I'm not saying that as part of the crowd, I'm saying that as my practical opinion as an individual. S2k's are gorgeous, just give em a little time first.

[SteveB]

So what you're saying, Steve, is that he should wait till he's old to buy a sports car?
Looks like insurance in Ontario isn't much better than insurance in NJ! I know those figures would be a little lower in USD, but not by all that much.

Nope, just know before you buy.
If he's comfortable paying $4300/yr for insurance *while his record is clean*, more power to him.

I doubt it would drop south of the border. We're not nearly as litigious as Americans.

[DhN]

Dont be mad because you cant afford an S2k. I said if he can AFFORD it, then GO FOR IT. Affording it includes paying insurance, gas, and fixing the little things. My insurance per year went up 45$ when I switched from the cb7 to the turbo AWD sports car OH NOEZ!!!. Im sure there's a better car out there that isnt a honda thats nicer and more affordable.

DhN- Grow up. Rollin in a much faster ford > a 4d 16 second HONDA (dont tell my car isnt faster than you're honda unless youve gone major with mods (TURBO, H22) I ran a I/H/E EX the other day and ate his shit up...)

you close to jersey?

got money to back up the ford...im here with my pos honda..let me kno


and to the OP...sounds like you really want the s2k..so get it...this quetsion is gonna get annoying cuz the answers will be varied..its all opinion..get what your budget allows and what is best for you..cuz in the end its your decison

[civic_90_08]

H22 FTW!!!1!!!!1!


My birthday is March 7th, yours? I'll be 17

[texasvtak]

a) <$4000. 200/165. Old econobox insurance.
front wheel drive.

b) $16,000-$31,000 240/162. RWD. High insurance. :

The choice is clear.

[93_EXR.]

H22 FTW!!!1!!!!1!


My birthday is March 7th, yours? I'll be 17

March 28th I'll be 19