How to cut off ALB system?

[nonickname]

My ALBsystem does't work at all and I think it wouldn't ever be.
The problem is that brakes don't work like regular non-ALB, sometimes double push required, sometimes not

The idea is to convert to non-ALB by changing the ALB main unit with Brake Proportioning Valve

and connectig it to lines "To front right brake", "To front left brake", etc. by using a loooot of custom fittings


Crazy idea, i know, but it seems much easier to me than unmount engine and make new brake lines from scratch.

Any advices?

[DjM_coupe]

Or just get the system off of a non-abs accord

[evil_demon_01]

The problem is that brakes don't work like regular non-ALB, sometimes double push required, sometimes not

What makes you think the ALB is to blame?
You realise the ALB system is independant of the main system right?

What is the actual problem your having, And what do you mean "sometimes double push required"

[1993 CB7 LX]

if you mean you have to pump the pedal a few times, try bleeding your brakes first

[deevergote]

Or just get the system off of a non-abs accord

Might not be the easiest thing to do in Russia.

[kapone]

Is alb the same as abs here in america ...?

[Tippey764]

Is alb the same as abs here in america ...?

Yes

any honda 1991 or older will say " ANTI LOCK " or " ALB " ( anti lock brakes ). ALB was honda trying to coin an abbreviation before everyone else. Everyone else decided on ABS and thus they switched in 1992.

[nonickname]

You realise the ALB system is independant of the main system right?

Of course I know, but I also know that ALB-lamp was connected to oil pressure lamp by one of the previous owners It says a lot about alb-system condition
Also i already changed outer joints to non-abs (without abs rings) while repairing suspension, so there is no way back

What is the actual problem your having, And what do you mean "sometimes double push required"

if you mean you have to pump the pedal a few times, try bleeding your brakes first

Yes, it's what I mean. I changed all brake rotors and pads, checked calipers, everithing is okay. I did bleeding twice already.

The symptoms are similar to aired (don't know the correct term for it) brake liquid, but it is not.
Brake pedal sometimes works okay, sometimes braking begins at the end of the pedal way, to prevent it I have to double pump.

['93CB7Ex]

is the master cylinder leaking? inside usually. id replace the master cylinder first.

[evil_demon_01]

Yes, it's what I mean. I changed all brake rotors and pads, checked calipers, everithing is okay. I did bleeding twice already.

The symptoms are similar to aired (don't know the correct term for it) brake liquid, but it is not.
Brake pedal sometimes works okay, sometimes braking begins at the end of the pedal way, to prevent it I have to double pump.

Then the ALB system isn't the issue, Sounds like the master cylinder to me.
Does the pedal slowly sink to the floor if you hold it down with slight pressure?

[1993 CB7 LX]

give your master cylinder a good check. look for leaks. that could definatly be the cause of a spongy pedal if youve already bled your brakes.

[nonickname]

Then the ALB system isn't the issue, Sounds like the master cylinder to me.
Does the pedal slowly sink to the floor if you hold it down with slight pressure?

I'll try to check again, but I have had poor master cylinder on one of my previous cars, it doesn't look the same.

I did the usual check:
Engine stopped, pump brake pedal several times, pedal become firmer with every pump, and doesn't move while strongly pressed at the end. While keep pressing start the engine, pedal become soft and moves to normal position.

Also, I don't have problems while standing at the slope holding brakes.

Beside, one of the reasons to cut off the alb system: I'd like to participate track days this summer, so abs/alb isn't needed at all but adjustable brakes may help me )

[nonickname]

Okay, chaps =)

Master cylinder internal leak and dirt in ALB unit were the problems. After cleaning and changing rubbers everything became good.

Thanks to all