Headers S.S. vs Ceramic

[F20A CB7]

Megan Racing < DC Sports < Bisimoto IMO

but ultimately, price will be the deciding factor...right?

KAMAKAZIE header they r 280 shipped.
they are a 4-1 design unlike the other headers which r 4-2-1

4-1 is designed for mid range and HIGH end power

where a 4-2-1 is designed for low-mid range power.

[Pandemic]

thats good to know.
So it seems to me like if a budget was about $400 or so, DC sports ceramic headers would be the best bet? bisi plus coating would be what? $800 bux? :P

[Pandemic]

I'll also look into KAMAKAZIE. I've not really heard of them so I'm going to assume they're compairable to megan racing?

[deevergote]

The ceramic coating isn't REALLY necessary... it's useful, but not many people have problems without. It's also something that can be done later on.

If you would spend $400 for a possible 8hp gain with a DC header, it would make more sense to me to spend $600 for 15hp from a Bisimoto header. Now, those figures are just my own estimations ( I have no idea what the Bisimoto header will really do, but those that I put on the same level for an H22 make 15-20hp... so 15hp seems like a reasonable estimate.)


If I didn't get a Bisimoto header, I'd probably go with Megan Racing. In fact, I WAS going to get a Megan Racing header at one point! If you're getting an underengineered header for your car, you might well get the least expensive one you can (while still getting decent quality... Megan Racing is better quality than anything else that is similarly priced)

[KeeleDesign]

i had a dc sport header

the dcsport ceramic header i owned for the f22 motor,, was one of the best investments i could have ever bought.. amazing how much it helped that motor.. aslo with these you do not need a gasket they are machined to fit perfect and mine never leaked for a year but the bottom where i scrapped even where i didn't did start rusting,, be carefull when installing though because if your oil from your hands get on the header when it gets got it will turn to black spots.

[Pandemic]

HRMMMM, Yeah I was thinking I'd like a stainless steel header. Just because it'll be way more rust resistant. I cant find one made by DC. I'll have to talk to Bisi about this.

[Pandemic]

whats best in terms of price and performance?
f22a6 header
f22a4 header
dc ceramic header
bisi whatever header

what also would sound the best? i dont want a weed wacker

also, f22a6 = ex
wtf is f22a4 from ?

[KeeleDesign]

the dc sport was a mean loud deep sound i had it with my obx high flow converter and greddy evo 2 cat back

[deevergote]

F22A4 is the 90-91 EX motor. F22A6 is 92-93 EX (and 91 SE) The header is a tubular design, making it better than the cast F22A1 and F22A6 manifolds. Those are the 3 motors found in US CB Accords. There are others in European and Japanese models (even 1.8L carbureted engines!)

The Bisimoto header will most definitely be the best performing header available for the F22A. Bisi is a professional racer, and he races with an F22A... I don't think there are any other pros using this motor. Certainly not at Bisi's level! For $600 or so, I believe that is well worth the money.

The DC header is decent, but it's not worth the price, IMO.



The header doesn't really determine the sound. As long as you have a quality exhaust system, it should sound fine. Get a cheapie exhaust system, and it'll sound... well... cheap. Of course, I have a muffler-shop special on my car Paid $450 for it though, so I can't say it's a cheapie!

If you want performance, Bisimoto all the way. $600 for the gains I would expect from that header would be well worth it... making that price VERY fair. I will be ordering a Bisimoto header as soon as I get my car up and running (and as soon as they're released!)

If you don't want to spend lots of money, and would be satisfied with 5-8hp, get a Megan Racing header. As far as I know, it's a copy of the DC Sports design, and still high quality... for much less money. I'm consistantly impressed by the quality of Megan Racing products. I often look at cars with DC headers with disdain... You're paying for a name and a CARB sticker. Assuming NEPA is North East Pennsylvania, you don't have to worry about your parts being CARB approved (that's for California only)

[F20A CB7]

kamakazie.. still no talk about the 4-1 header. its a 2.5 collector for MAXIMUM exhuast FLOW.

I jus want these. BUT DEV whats SO diff about these HEADERS compared to BISI's?

[deevergote]

Bisi's headers are actually made FOR the F22A. These headers are made to fit an F22A, but I'm sure the R&D behind them is quite limited. The difference could be as much as 10hp.

4-1 headers are good, but they're more of a full-race design (though I believe Bisi's headers are also 4-1) They make more power up top, whereas the 4-2-1 or tri-Y headers (4 pipes merge into 2, then into 1) make more power down low with a slight sacrifice up high.


What style you get depends on what you plan on doing. If you're going to be driving your car under 4500 RPM 90% of the time, a 4-2-1 header is probably the best idea. If you care about top-end power, and plan on doing a lot of racing or spirited driving (and can deal with the loss in the low end), then the 4-1 is for you. When you open up your airflow, you usually LOSE low-end power. From 1000-2500 RPM, a car with a 4-1 header, 2.25"+ exhaust, and a cold air intake will probably feel weaker than stock (and it probably will be).

[F20A CB7]

[QUOTE a car with a 4-1 header, 2.25"+ exhaust, and a cold air intake will probably feel weaker than stock (and it probably will be).[/QUOTE]

WHAT??? LESS POWER THAN STOCK??

[Ralphie]

[QUOTE a car with a 4-1 header, 2.25"+ exhaust, and a cold air intake will probably feel weaker than stock (and it probably will be).

WHAT??? LESS POWER THAN STOCK??[/QUOTE]


Sure its all about backpressure mang.

if your setup doesnt compliment the motor and/or work then its going to run like shit.

[F20A CB7]

well 4-1 is for high end power. and its 2.5 thats wat i want is high end power on a stock motor

[KeeleDesign]

i like how you think!!