Dude, I don't mean to be a dick at all, but you gotta read the whole thread.
Announcement
Collapse
Please DO NOT Post In The General Section
From this point on until otherwise briefed, posting in the general section of Performance Tech is prohibited. The only thing to remain here will be the stickies. We would just delete this section, but that would cause unintended results.
The majority of the threads created can appropriately be placed in one of the Performance Tech sub-forums or Technical; and the posting of them here is detrimental to the activity of said forums. If you have any questions about where you need to place your thread PM me or one of the other mods.
For the most part you all have caught on without this post, but there have been a few habitual offenders that forced me to say this.
Everyone will get a couple of warnings from here on out, after that I just start deleting threads.
Again if you have any questions, PM me or one of the other mods.
The majority of the threads created can appropriately be placed in one of the Performance Tech sub-forums or Technical; and the posting of them here is detrimental to the activity of said forums. If you have any questions about where you need to place your thread PM me or one of the other mods.
For the most part you all have caught on without this post, but there have been a few habitual offenders that forced me to say this.
Everyone will get a couple of warnings from here on out, after that I just start deleting threads.
Again if you have any questions, PM me or one of the other mods.
See more
See less
My sleeved and turbocharged accord
Collapse
X
-
Nice, gotta love the turbo!!!Automotive Service and Fabrication In SOCAL!! https://www.facebook.com/JLRFAB
Comment
-
Sufficating an engine is just wrong!!
Ok, I hate to sound like an ass here, but I have some serious issues with this engine... Now, i just want some straight and clear answers, no flames plz.
First off, I commend you on sticking with the F22, I wish everyone did, but I have a feeling that this engine won't be meeting it's potential due to unnecessary expenses and a lack of good planning.
Now for my questions...
1)The Manifold, after all of this money spent, why get a redrilled DSM manifold when you could have had a better one made, that flows a lot more and helps your turbo spool?
2) AEM EMS, why spend $1600 on something you could get for under $100
with Uberdata, not to mention not having a baseline and having to tune from scratch?
3)Why are you using a 60-1 compressor, do you really think that's going to spool at a reasonable enough rate for reliable street driving?
4) What the hell are you thinking using an internal wastegate if you plan on running 22psi of boost? Can you say BOOST SPIKE!? Where's the boost controller for that anywayz?
5) What about the head and throttle body? You should have the head ported and the tb enlarged, they aren't going to be able to flow that 900cfm that your turbo can, hence the reason you aren't going to be spoolin' up quick enough.
6) Hasn't anyone told you that overlap is the enemy of turbo motors, that 272 cam is grossly oversized, shoulda stuck with stock.
7) Why a 2.5" downpipe? Are you running a 3" exhaust at least? It would seem to me that notching the crossmember and reinforcing it then putting in a 3" downpipe would be a better solution than bottlenecking a motor with a lot of potential.
That's all the questions I have, I just don't want to see a good motor not perform to it's maximum potential due to over spending on things that don't make a difference and not doing what needs to be done to allow this motor to breath. Please people don't sufficate your turbo motors, murder is a criminal offense and will be punished as so. Let your turbo motor breathe and you will be well rewarded, but limit it's air supply and you'd might as well drive a Prius...
Hopefully this will help you rethink your investment and I hope that someone on here with some understanding of where I'm coming from can back me up on this one. Good planning and execution are the keys to a fast, reliable Honda.
Thanks for hearing me out, of course this is all just my humble (yet passionate) opinion...
-KyleSOHC Non-VTEC F-series for life
"It is the fools prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
-Morpheus (The Sandman)
Comment
-
Oh, my one other question is what kind of rod bearings are you running in those Crowers? I'm having troble figuring out which ones i should use on my build, thanx again. ^_^
-KyleSOHC Non-VTEC F-series for life
"It is the fools prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
-Morpheus (The Sandman)
Comment
-
Originally posted by WiccanvampierFirst off, I commend you on sticking with the F22, I wish everyone did, but I have a feeling that this engine won't be meeting it's potential due to unnecessary expenses and a lack of good planning.
Originally posted by Wiccanvampier1)The Manifold, after all of this money spent, why get a redrilled DSM manifold when you could have had a better one made, that flows a lot more and helps your turbo spool?
Originally posted by Wiccanvampier2) AEM EMS, why spend $1600 on something you could get for under $100
with Uberdata, not to mention not having a baseline and having to tune from scratch?
Originally posted by Wiccanvampier3)Why are you using a 60-1 compressor, do you really think that's going to spool at a reasonable enough rate for reliable street driving?
Originally posted by Wiccanvampier4) What the hell are you thinking using an internal wastegate if you plan on running 22psi of boost? Can you say BOOST SPIKE!? Where's the boost controller for that anywayz?
Originally posted by Wiccanvampier5) What about the head and throttle body? You should have the head ported and the tb enlarged, they aren't going to be able to flow that 900cfm that your turbo can, hence the reason you aren't going to be spoolin' up quick enough.
Originally posted by Wiccanvampier6) Hasn't anyone told you that overlap is the enemy of turbo motors, that 272 cam is grossly oversized, shoulda stuck with stock.
Originally posted by Wiccanvampier7) Why a 2.5" downpipe? Are you running a 3" exhaust at least? It would seem to me that notching the crossmember and reinforcing it then putting in a 3" downpipe would be a better solution than bottlenecking a motor with a lot of potential.
Originally posted by WiccanvampierThat's all the questions I have, I just don't want to see a good motor not perform to it's maximum potential due to over spending on things that don't make a difference and not doing what needs to be done to allow this motor to breath.
With that said,
fast93accord... been watchin you for awhile on HS. Best of luck in proving the F is worth it to the naysayers. (thats not directed at you wiccan)
Edit: Upon further research the head is p&p'd and he has the h23 tb and plenum which probably means he p&p'd those too. The AEM EMS does have a boost controller in it like i thought and the ex. manifold is p&p'd also. He's good to go...but you'll definately need some suspension work.Last edited by MRX; 05-09-2005, 09:57 AM.Knowledge is power...in EVERY sense of the word
FSAE (F Series Accord Enthusiasts) ..."A dying breed thats taking it to the next level" #12
Comment
-
http://vids.torquenstein.net/imv/ShepherdRacing.wmv
Check that video out. Right at the 2 minute mark it shows a pic of something on Shep's car that looks very similar to a dsm manifold... If he made it into the 8's with something like that then they must be alright.
So you are saying that if I'm going to use a dsm manifold that I should keep my Gude cam in instead of buying a cam built by Delta for a turbo application since it has more overlap?
Comment
-
Originally posted by Fearit22http://vids.torquenstein.net/imv/ShepherdRacing.wmv
Check that video out. Right at the 2 minute mark it shows a pic of something on Shep's car that looks very similar to a dsm manifold... If he made it into the 8's with something like that then they must be alright.
So you are saying that if I'm going to use a dsm manifold that I should keep my Gude cam in instead of buying a cam built by Delta for a turbo application since it has more overlap?H22 Prelude VTEC 92-96 200 161 10.6:1 87 90 DOHC VTEC 2157 JDM
190.3whp 155 wtq - with bolt ons, and a dc header
ET=14.457 @ 94mph w/ 2.173 60Fter
Comment
-
Originally posted by Fearit22So you are saying that if I'm going to use a dsm manifold that I should keep my Gude cam in instead of buying a cam built by Delta for a turbo application since it has more overlap?
http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=16806
Its dependent on each setup really. Fast said he'd been running the 272 on his previous turbo f22 before the turbo blew. He said it spooled faster and pulled hard up to like 6800rpms i believe but had a lopey idle obviously. Theres really only one why to find out which is better for your application right?Knowledge is power...in EVERY sense of the word
FSAE (F Series Accord Enthusiasts) ..."A dying breed thats taking it to the next level" #12
Comment
-
Originally posted by midnite racer xfound the link
http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=16806
Its dependent on each setup really. Fast said he'd been running the 272 on his previous turbo f22 before the turbo blew. He said it spooled faster and pulled hard up to like 6800rpms i believe but had a lopey idle obviously. Theres really only one why to find out which is better for your application right?
Comment
-
yes, it does show a picture with a "oem" style one, which i take it an older pic, cause right after he sais hks manifold, and it shows a nice shiny manifold like some of the peps on here are experimenting with from dsms...H22 Prelude VTEC 92-96 200 161 10.6:1 87 90 DOHC VTEC 2157 JDM
190.3whp 155 wtq - with bolt ons, and a dc header
ET=14.457 @ 94mph w/ 2.173 60Fter
Comment
-
Yeah, the new one he shows at the end is for his new setup he talks about though. I was considering getting one of those "shiny ones" lol. I found out that almost all of them put the turbo in the stock spot so it should still easily fit in our cars. I probably will in the future just to save money, but for now I'll settle with what I have.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Fearit22I think I will probably just get rid of the Gude cam. The only other person I know of that had it and boosted was theone. His engine blew pretty quick too so I'll just pass on that experiment. Before I switch it out though I might do a dyno with it in then put the other cam in and dyno again. I wouldn't really feel comfortable leaving it in for a long time though....Knowledge is power...in EVERY sense of the word
FSAE (F Series Accord Enthusiasts) ..."A dying breed thats taking it to the next level" #12
Comment
Comment