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    HEAD SWAP: F22B DOHC on F22A1 BLOCK .. PICS**

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    Well Im actually making this thread to document the fitment of the JDM F22B DOHC cylinder head onto a F22ax block and anyone who is lucky enough to get one of these heads. It lines up perfectly and since I didnt see any thread on this with pics and explanation, I decidied to do so.

    A 5 speed swap was also performed on this car at the completion of the head swap.

    By the way this I didnt write this for the novice as I didnt go into too much detail.
    Parts used: All OEM Honda
    90-93 Accord F22A Headgasket PTO
    POA water pump.90-97. Superceded PTO
    92-95 Prelude H23aX crank gear and back plate PT2
    92-95 Prelude H23A timing and balancer belt PT2
    (This can be used but it was a little to loose for me)
    92-97 JDM Prelude F22B DOHC Timing belt, PT2
    Fit Perfectly but it was my old belt that still had lotrs of life.
    90-93 Accord F22a timing belt and balancer tensioners PTO
    JDM H22A internal coil distributor with F22a guts. (you can use any H22a F22b dohc or h23a distributor housing or the entire unit if your lucky enough to get an internal coil for 90-91 cars. 92-93, you can aquire any usdm dizzy from the twin cam motors because they are all external as far as F and H go.
    P05 ecu mapped for F22B engine by the infamous d112crzy.

    Yes this head is from the motor I spun a bearing on last year winter. But the head was MINT. Most mint I probably ever seen a used cylinder head from Japan. I sold the head and was hired to do the swap. Here goes.

    *The F22a1 as it sits, about to uncover the health this motor is really in. It ran pretty decent though.


    1. Get piston #1 to Top Dead Center
    2. Pull crank pulley and timing covers
    3. Set it back to top dead center as removing the crank bolt sometimes misaligns or moves the timing assembly
    4. If your a novice then definately take not of how things are aligned before removing the belt. Stick a long allen key or screw driver in rear balance shaft to stop it from moving.
    5. Slack the belt tensioners by loosening the bolt and slide belts off.
    6. Pull any electrical connector, coolant lines, etc attached to the head. Dont forgot the intake manifold bracket at the attached to the engine block.
    7. Take the valve cover off and begin to break the headbolts a 1/4 of a turn at a time to even out the pressure and avoid warping, etc.
    8. You can take off the rockers if you choose but I didnt. Stripping can occur so its a good idea to have a set of sockets speciffially twirlled for pulling stripped bolts. Forgot the term for them.
    9. Pull the head off and cover the block to keep shit out.


    *The head wasnt dark gold like I expected, instead it was a lil on the dark side. Gave me an indication of what the block is like.


    *Heres the F22a head (left) and the F22b head (right) side by side.


    Now besides there being two cams in one and one in the other, you can notice a few differences that need to be swapped in order for this DOHC to work properly with the Cb7 plugs and hoses.
    EGR (which was spapped from my last install into my cb7)
    Water neck
    Fuel rail

    Damn that head is clean, I really regret selling it.




    I changed the IAB or butterflies gasket as well



    I asked the owner if he wanted take out the butterflies but he kept it.

    Now in order for theis head to be bolted back on the camshaft and bearing assembly have to be removed, cleaned, and plastic bagged. Here are the camshafts and bare head.





    Make sure things are as clean as possible. Plug holes, cover things, baggies are great for the cam bearings etc.

    Here is a pic of how the PTO lines up 100% with the F22b DOHC cyilinder head.



    Here is a pic of the top deck of the block. Here I discovered some build up inside the water jackets, well only in cylinder #4. It looks like the result of stop leak gone bad of something, it was pretty bad. The only thing I can do is flush the motor constantly after completion.



    The water jackets had dark colored antifreeze, like oil, so I drained that by pulling the drain bolt in the back, right next to the oil pressure sensor.

    1. Clean and vaccuum out debris from the top of the block, piston etc.
    2. Use Acetone and strong alcohol like 91% to clean the top of the deck.
    3. Make sure its very clean, leave no oil or dirt, use a scraper if you have to. but dont damage the deck. Do the same to bottom of the cylinder head.

    *Note that the gasket is on backwards when the picture was taken. Line up the headgasket with the oil orifice always. Sorry for any confusion*



    Headgasket put on to check fitment, I also put gasket maker at the edge of the block towards timing side. Ready to put the head on now, I find when installing the cylinder head that its easier to put the head gasket on the cylinder head because it sticks to the dowels and will be easier to line up.
    Now the Head is on.



    1. Be sure to oil or lube EVERYTHING. All 10 of the bolts must be divulged in oil, threads and seat and then put in and thread them by hand to avoid any mistakes. Make sure its on the correct way, line up with the oil orifice.
    2. Remember they must be tightened in a 3 step torque sequence. 29, 51, then 74 I beleive. Make sure you have a manual when doing this part.
    3. Once it is bolted down to spec, you can begin to put cams back in, replace the cam cap while you can. As you can see I kept all the cam bearing bolts in order and all bearings bagged in order to minimize confusion.
    4. Cam bearings cap should be torqued to spec as well.



    Almost ready now to get back to the timing.


    OK, I have to stop here, thats all I got done so far in a total of like 8 hours. I should be finished thsi week coming up. Will continue the post then.



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    Last edited by CBAccordA4; 06-24-2010, 03:07 PM. Reason: new things
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    ALMOST DONE

    The head part is done and now its time to deal with the timing/waterpump business. Once the belts are off, remove the balancer belt gear and then pry off the timing belt gear and its backing plate. It works better when using two prybars or flatheads to get it off.



    The DOHC timing belt will require a smaller size gear and backing plate from F22b dohc and H23a motor. Line em up and throw them on with key in place. Here is the difference.




    Here it is installed and honestly after I put the belt on, I was wondering I I can still use the f22a gear with the timing belt because it wasnt as tight as I desired it to be, but we'll see how that goes.



    Next I swapped the water pump out for a new one that was stamped 20T and POA on the gear and on the inside fins it was stamped PTO. I still put a little sealent on the outer metal rim of the pump even though it comes with a rubber gasket just to be safe.



    Get all pulleys lined up to TDC and lock the two cam with (I used two philips) something to stop is from moving in the shaft of the cam.
    Here is the timing belt installed, DOHC can be tricky when lining up the two cams. Before I bolt everything back I make sure and start the engine to make sure the timing is on point. Your eyes might think its lined up, but it just might be a tooth off. Once the belts are tightened, and the head is completely reassembled and everything is in working order for the engine to make revolutions, rotate the engine a few times and make sure there it rotates smooth and the that the timing is still lined up



    Also, just wanted to add if anyone knows what this port is for let me know, looks like it has a 12 or 14 mm thread size inside ( I know thread is not measured that way, i meant that size bolt can be threaded in). It is located right underneath and between the cams.



    I started the car, with some old plugs and it sounded fine, sounds like cylinder one is not firing though so I'll deal with that when we get new plugs and wires. The only other problem I was concerned about is when attempting to flush the coolant, I noticed that there was a lil mixing of the oil inside. Im really hoping that this was just the leftover oil inside the jackets or water piping because it did have a lil mixing before the swap. Hoping for no cracks in the block or anything.

    I'll have more pics and video upon %100 completion
    Last edited by CBAccordA4; 04-26-2010, 05:03 PM.
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      #3
      umm, is the headgasket on backwards? or was that just for the picture?

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        #4
        Originally posted by 90Cb7sleeper View Post
        umm, is the headgasket on backwards? or was that just for the picture?
        i think the pic since he said he puts the gasket on the head 1st.

        and sweet right up, every one knows pics are KING.


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          #5
          Originally posted by 90Cb7sleeper View Post
          umm, is the headgasket on backwards? or was that just for the picture?
          Oh you noticed huh, yeh I had it upside down for this pic, I should have the corrected one somewhere. Thanks for pointing that out.
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          MY WHIP
          H22A Swap
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            #6
            Thread 2 Almost Done

            Well im not quite finished yet dut to me and owners busy schedules but its almost done. Only concern I added above was flushing the cooling system. I saw a little mixing when I had the car running for a minute and I hope its just the old leftover stuff lingering from before.
            Worse case scenario would be the headgasket is not properly sealed and the block or head is warped or there might be a crack in the block, which I had bad feelings about this block to begin with. Anyway i hope the flushing is a success because I put 12 hours into this already. If anyone has ideas or insight juss let me know. By the way i used F22a head torque sequence and specs.
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              #7
              COMPLTETED: With 5 speed swap added

              FINISHED




              So I did run into some problem trying to finish this swap. I also learned some things.
              I originally installed a H23a timing belt on this motor but it was too slack and didnt seem to run the motor proper timing wise, at least I thought at first that the h23 belt was causing the timing issue, but it wasnt. However I figured that installing back the f22b dohc belt would solve my problem. It solved the problem of the slackness but it was still running 10 degrees retarded with everything lined up. WHAT COULD IT BE? It was the stock f22a auto ecu retarding the timing. I had no idea it does this. The whole time I thought it was physical timing and ignition that was off. Anyway the f22b mapped P05 straightened that out. Ran great.

              This swap definately makes more power than the f22a6 with bolt ons. It is very close to the f22b, maybe makes less power due to less compression im guessing.

              I'd like to add that this car underwent a 5 speed swap performed by me and an associate, which took a little over 12 hours especially because we had to strip the donor car. Came out great, and quick.



              Trans was from a JDM 2.0 SI

              Do you believe we went to JDM engine Depot and ask for a H22a Tranny and this is what they were about to give us. Slick bastards, telling me its the same thing, ME. Anyway they were out of h22a trannies so the swap client just took this one.
              And I must say, its not too bad at all, way better than any f22a tranny.



              Stage 3 setup, 8LB Fidanza, Shit grabs hard

              Took the car for a little test run just to make sure everything was in proper working order, and I was pretty happy with it until someone just couldnt hold there composure after several warnings. This guy is not my associate. Mind you the headgasket and clutch are VIRGINs. Yeh i was pissed. Even thought it did sound kinda nice.





              All in all, both swaps came out good and made good power over the SOHC cylinder heads. That 2.0SI tranny was better than I thought. I do wish that the head was on a fresher block but maybe with some heavy oil it can take some abuse.

              Im gonna clean up the engine bay a little and post some more pics. These were all rough work in progress pics.

              If you want a swap done in NYC and you like what you see just send me a PM.
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                #8
                Damn good job dude, JDM F22B's are fun to drive. I'm sure just your head will make yours more peppy. This really will help out a lot of people who want to do this.
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                  #9
                  thats pretty nice still. I can imagine if was the full dohc motor instead of just the head swap, a tad bit more peppy. The first vid was funny though. "OOH NOO!" rofl. was that you CBAccordA4?
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                    #10
                    damb good job makes me want to give it a try

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by jamaicancb3 View Post
                      thats pretty nice still. I can imagine if was the full dohc motor instead of just the head swap, a tad bit more peppy. The first vid was funny though. "OOH NOO!" rofl. was that you CBAccordA4?
                      LoL, yeh. Thye dude kep askin the car's owner to drive it so he finally let in. Told him not to beat on it because the headgasket needs to seal proper and clutch needs to be worn in properly. When he stopped the car like that I just know he was gonna do somn stupid.

                      Thanks for the comments guys.
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                        #12
                        this is pretty good stuff. btw how much did you charge to do this? might be interested in doing this later on this year when i finish my 5spd swap


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                          #13
                          Old thread, new questions

                          Hey, I was wondering which timing belt to use since you listed 3 in the parts list


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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Pali_Mo View Post
                            Hey, I was wondering which timing belt to use since you listed 3 in the parts list
                            F22B belt

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                              #15
                              Damn, i know from my brother that the F22B belt is impossible to find.

                              He used a dodge caravan belt on his, but he had a full f22b. Does anyone know if this will work with the A6 block and F22B head?


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